Current David Haye vs Ali at the rumble in the jungle instead of Foreman

Vergilius · May 9, 2012

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With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.

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With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

Footwork.

The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position.

Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body.
For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion.

Head movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_nAcQKR5I

All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.
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This is ridiculous. Ali was three times the fighter Haye could ever hope to be - it would be an easy night for Ali.

Vergilius · May 9, 2012

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsawoiQ-0C0

watch the footwork, mobility and head movement here. Now just remember this is a man in equal power, strength and punch ability as Foreman, scary really.
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No reason to assume he is equal to foreman in power and punch. Haye fights with his feet to wide apart. This makes him fall off balance against opponents who know what they are doing and prevents him from throwing combinations. Also he doesn't seem to have great stamina and throws far fewer punches than prime Foreman. Ali was a master of fighting on the outside and moving around the ring. Haye would have a hard time landing anything and would spend the whole night with Ali's jab in his face followed by the right cross. To beat Ali, you either had to be a great inside fighter like Frazier, or a technical boxer who keeps his hands up like Norton. Haye is neither he would fall far short against Ali who did everything he does do well a lot better.

KINGOFTHE1ROUND · May 9, 2012

Haye was smaller frame and an inch shorter at least than Foreman. Has a bad chin compared to Foreman. Haye is a one punch stalker. Haye's power is 1/3 of Foreman's power and Haye is a gutless coward but other than that,they are the same.

Duffy · May 9, 2012

Vergilius said: ↑

This is ridiculous. Ali was three times the fighter Haye could ever hope to be - it would be an easy night for Ali.
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Yeah Ali would probably win it but let's not take the ****. Ali is no monster puncher so that combined with Haye's great footwork and mobility sees this fight certainly go the distance in a great technical battle.

iceman71 · May 9, 2012

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It's similar power although I wouldn't say better. You don't leave Valuev on ***** street and have Klitschko fighting terrified without great punching power.
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new ESB idiot. congrats

Bill Butcher · May 9, 2012

Duffy said: ↑

With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.

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With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

Footwork.

The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position.

Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body.
For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion.

Head movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_nAcQKR5I

All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.
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**** right off

Muhammad Ali (& Foreman for that matter) **** all over David Haye.... Foreman would have him outta there in no more than 2 rounds (for real) & Ali would toy with him, slice him up & have Haye`s corner waving the white flag in under 7 rounds.

Glad to help :good

Bill Butcher · May 9, 2012

Duffy said: ↑

Yeah Ali would probably win it but let's not take the ****. Ali is no monster puncher so that combined with Haye's great footwork and mobility sees this fight certainly go the distance in a great technical battle.
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Your actually serious here ?

OK, Ali is faster than Haye, has a longer reach, has superior footwork, hits at least as hard, is naturally bigger, throws every punch technically better, especially the jab & is light years ahead of him in terms of boxing ability.

Haye wouldn`t win a round & vs that version of Ali doesn`t see the 8th round, he`d get toyed with, dominated & stopped... it`s a mismatch.

Ahurath · May 9, 2012

Vladimir23 said: ↑

Wlad deserves more credit for his masterful dominant win over Haye.
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No he doesn't apart from 1 or 2 solid right hands he couldn't find Haye all night. That wasn't a good performance for either fighter.

Duffy · May 9, 2012

Bill Butcher said: ↑

Your actually serious here ?

OK, Ali is faster than Haye, has a longer reach, has superior footwork, hits at least as hard, is naturally bigger, throws every punch technically better, especially the jab & is light years ahead of him in terms of boxing ability.

Haye wouldn`t win a round & vs that version of Ali doesn`t see the 8th round, he`d get toyed with, dominated & stopped... it`s a mismatch.
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How is Ali naturally bigger? He began as a LW don't forget. At HW Haye has always weighed much more than the prime Ali.

exocet76 · May 9, 2012

It's a **** take thread, Haye is a gutless big mouthed twat. Why do clowns think that bigger muscles = better fighter? Haye looks in good shape but he is a ***. Ali would be in Hayes head like Vlad did before the fight and **** his day up.

WORD.

Bill Butcher · May 9, 2012

Duffy said: ↑

How is Ali naturally bigger? He began as a LW don't forget. At HW Haye has always weighed much more than the prime Ali.
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What ? :huh

rayhogan · May 9, 2012

Duffy said: ↑

With Haye having the same height, style, power and weight as young Foreman just how do we think this fight would go down seeing Ali vs "The Hayemaker" during the exact same moment in history.

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With Haye being equal to all of Foreman's attributes then we also have to look at the advantages that has over Foreman.

Footwork.

The characteristic footwork employed by most of the world's major boxing has changed little over the centuries, and has remained largely invariable between radically different cultures. The boxer relies on 'push stepping'. In which the leading leg advances first, then the rear, with the feet coming to rest in the exact relative position.

Rear movement is a reversal of this step, and lateral movement involves push stepping in the same fashion, with the foot closest to the desired direction stepping laterally, followed by the opposite foot, which is used to move the body.
For the pugilist, footwork is to be deft and simplistic, allowing the fighter to move in and out of striking range as quickly as possible. Footwork is key to generating sufficient power in the basic strikes shared between the major styles. During the jab, the lead foot can move forward to close distance or remain stationary. During the cross, the rear foot pivots inward to launch the rear shoulder forward, allowing the cross a good deal of its strength. During the left hook, the lead foot pivots in an inward manner to transfer bodyweight. The right hook's pivot is identical to the cross (assuming the boxer is orthodox). The lead uppercut, like the jab does not use any pivotal motion, the power comes from the transfer of bodyweight to the lead foot. The rear uppercut employs the same inward pivot as the cross. To maintain balance, both feet can step, pivot or slide as appropriate. The jab may be thrown while moving forward or backward; for the other punches it is advisable not to throw while in motion.

Head movement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_nAcQKR5I

All in all I think Haye will be able to push ali to the limits but in the end lose this one on points.
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Are you really really serious? If so then congrats on being the number 1 dumb a$$ in this forum. Haye isnt close to Frazier, Foreman level at all. This insulting to legends that ali beat. Prime Foreman with hair would murder Haye. Frazier would ko Haye inside 4 rounds. And omg Ali would easily embarrass Haye. Haye footwork? lol Yeah he show his footwork when he fought Valuev in one of the most boring heavyweight fights and barely got a win on that one. Come on if Haye barely survive vs a freaking circus freak Valuev, what makes you think Haye can give Ali problems? You're a dumba$$ newbie that should be banned already.

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