Some Pacquiao logic that popped in my head

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  1. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Oh yeah, I figure i'll labeled be a ******* after this but what the hell...

    1. Pacquiao is on PED's. Okay, the logic that Pacquiao is not supposed to be able to move from being a skinny little flyweight to a welterweight champion is supposed to be impossible. Never mind that 100 years ago, some 16 year old Frenchman turned pro at flyweight as well and ended up winning the light heavyweight title and eventually challenging the heavyweight champion. Translation: it's not impossible and was already done before, even better in fact. Read you boxing history everyone. Does that mean that anyone who came close has done something too? So Duran should've been questioned how was he able to win a title and 160 as he started as a featherweight. Same as Sugar Ray Robinson who started at lightweight and almost winning the light heavyweight title as well. Think about it. This argument will also lead us to...

    2. Pacquiao's best wins was all tainted due to weight stipulations. Okay, I have already argued with this before. First off, if Pacquiao was indeed the force he is due to PED's, there's no point in further hampering down opponents with these catch-weight fights. Pacquiao has limitations because he is human, and because he is clean. There's no other way around it. A lot of people we're caught by the random drug testing done by commissions and it was an accepted method of testing for decades. We're not doctors around here, they are. Has any test resulted as positive for Pacquiao? Last time I checked none.

    It's really getting tiresome to put it simply, that a person was accused and his achievements are dragged down to devalue him as a fighter. All the while they are trumpeting someone who has done shady work himself.
     
  2. papadoc28

    papadoc28 Boxing Addict banned

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    If he had just agreed to the damn tests back in 2009 when he had a 14 day cut off instead of making bull**** excuses then this fight would have been old news by now. The purse split was even 50/50 then as well. I said that him not agreeing to the testing wasn't going to make it go away. I also said that people were gonna question the PED usage until he agrees. I'm no promoter but it was so obvious how this was gonna turn out I don't know how someone as seasoned as Arum was so clueless about this scenario.:-(
     
  3. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    I'm not for Arum as much as the next guy, but I think that he is just pulling strings to make Floyd and Oscar as miserable as he can due to being former promotional boxers and breaking away from him.
     
  4. turbotime

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    So why the **** do you defend it? Floyd agreed to Manny's cheat proof stipulations no problem, then Pac ran when he had to give just a bit.

    Such a **** off.
     
  5. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    I'm not defending Arum, I'm stating what I believe the reason why the fight was not made.

    Isn't it obvious that the test was just a smokescreen and the bottomline is Floyd was exerting his superiority and to make the perception that he is indeed the star.
     
  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    So why reject the tests in 2010? The fight is irrelevant now thanks to that.
     
  7. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Have you even read what I posted before, it's Floyd exerting his supposed superiority, and Pac doesn't want no part of it.

    They probably should've said that in the first place instead of other things which basically made them look bad.
     
  8. turbotime

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    How was Floyd being superior? Pacquiao asked to go above the commission and implement his own overweight 10 million dollar stipulation to prevent weight cheats, and Floyd agreed, and wanted blood testing to prevent steroid cheats.

    There should have been NO problems, it was all equal.
     
  9. SugarShane_24

    SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member Full Member

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    Why wouldn't Pac stipulate about weight when Floyd did not follow the agreed weight on the Marquez fight?
     
  10. dubace

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    you compared a 16 year old boy's growth rate to a 30 year old man. not the same at all. It's not impossible for someone to win belts at multiple titles. but to go up in weight consistently, and be the more massive (weight and mass aren't the same thing) fighter in each bout with the exception of the clottey fight, and not lose any edge in speed or stamina despite the additional weight the body must carry, is worthy suspicion. denial to take a test is admission to guilt.

    secondly, if you want to be a champion at 154 or 147 pounds, then fight your opponent at that weight. even now, he is fighting a 140 pounder at 147 (which i still think is a good fight). it never stops and you dickriders never stop defending it. you say you shouldn't run from the cops if you have nothing to hide, but pacquiao does it every time and you cling to his balls like the fake nuthugging groupies that you are.

    I like pacquiao and think his rise to glory is a great story, but to deny the blemishes and questions that surround his legacy is not what a fan does. it what a dickriding groupie like *******s, calzaombies, and *****s do.
     
  11. SugarShane_24

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    Here's the interesting question that no one answered clearly, who, why and when was this issue brought up?
     
  12. dubace

    dubace Well-Known Member Full Member

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    that's a dumb question. who cares if floyd agreed to it. why wouldn't floyd stipulate a random blood test to stop steroid cheating? one party agreed to the fight, the other did not. but of course you can't stop worshiping yuor idol long enough to see that.
     
  13. turbotime

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    So why did Pac do it with Oscar, or Morales?

    To prevent being cheated at a weight, right?
     
  14. dubace

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    not much interesting about it. who brought it up when isn't relevant. the results are what's relevant. and because you seem to be a sensible thinker, disregard the rude statements i made in my previous post, though they still apply to the rest of you damn man worshiping nuthggers. but the only thing relevant was the response to the stipulation.

    A WIDE variety of excuses and stories changing every time, some proving false ie scared of needles, constant refusal to take a test based on circumstances that other fighters prove to be false all the time (hence cotto and mayweather putting on one of the best performances of both their careers for a full 12hard rounds despite the blood testing) it speaks for itself. Like i said, i like pacquiao and think him rising from poverty to stardom through shedding his own blood and those of his opponents night in and night out, deserves all the credit in the world. but when his bluff was called, he did not answer.
     
  15. turbotime

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    Our questions won't be answered.

    It's funny that if timelines mattered so much to these guys, they would know that Pacquiao has wanted overweight penalties way before Mayweather came overweight against Marquez.

    Yet they still use it to justify that Manny was in the right, and Floyd was in the wrong for wanting such nonsense.