Which fighters would Chavez do better against than Duran would?

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    This is something I've been thinking about lately, and I'd really appreciate some of your thoughts on this.

    When comparing Chavez and Duran, it's pretty much consensus that Duran was the more capable, more accomplished fighter. They are both renowned for the consistency of their ATG pressure-fighting aggression, as well as their fundamentals and textbook boxing ability. To say that Duran was comprehensively better in every way, however, doesn't sit right with me. The differences in their styles speak louder to me than their similarities, and differences often lead to trade-offs in advantages/disadvantages when put against specific styles and molds. I have a feeling that certain elements of Julio's in-ring personality may match up better against certain opponents, though I'm not quite sure I can put my finger on how some of these differences may give definite advantages to Chavez. While both men were ferocious, Duran's style (in his prime) seemed to emphasize more of a fast-paced assault punctuated by slippery counters, while Chavez was a more patient but ever-advancing freight train of physicality and accuracy. Even using these terms now, I can easily reverse some of these descriptions and still have them apply.

    So, in order to help flesh out the distinctions in advantages I can't readily identify, what fighters (or general type of opponents) would Chavez have an easier time with than Duran? How come? Or are you of the opinion that Duran could out-do Chavez as simply an all around better boxer/pressure-fighter?

    Please discuss.
     
  2. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    Good points: Chavez's pressure was inexorable and constant. Duran's involved moving his head and attacking while avoiding being hit solidly himself. Although both men enjoyed imbibing between fights, I don't recall Chavez ballooning up and down in weight. He was probably more consistent in his preparations and showing up in peak shape than Duran. Duran got up for big fights. If he watched film and didn't think much of the opponent he often would become lax in his training. His natural talent would carry him through most times.
     
  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Duran was the harder puncher and better defensively, but I think with a guy like Leonard or Mayweather, Chavez might cut the ring off better and make them closer fights than Duran did and would. I still think someone like Benitez beats Chavez, but Chavez makes it very interesting. Wilfred was solid at 154 and Chavez was not. 147 Benitez would still beat Chavez, and at 140 I still pick Benitez but closer.
     
  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not sure there's any type Chavez does better against than Duran.

    The only thing Chavez might have the slightest edge in is chin, so you could argue he might stand up a little better to the likes of Ike Williams, Alexis Arguello or a lightweight version of a Tommy Hearns (if one existed).

    That said, I think Duran handles them sort of fighters regardless and probably in some ways easier than Chavez due to his greater level of skill....
     
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  6. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Interesting...the matter of chin between the two is always one that intrigued me. Perhaps pound for pound, that allows him to smother rangy punchers easier?
     
  7. Bogotazo

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    Duran was like a Flash-Flood liable to torrant away most opponents with his sudden bursts, but if you had that Liferaft of superb mobility, you might be able to Ride the Currents, Chavez by comparison was like the Tide coming in..constant.. inexorable...again with that superb mobility you might be able to surf the rising tide to dry ground, different applications, bith could be destructive, I suspect Chavez's constant and increasing approach would acheive better results against Viruet, Bizzaro, And Lampkin, it might be that Chavez would have a harder time in drowning Dejusus, than Duran did in his Latter two encounters, Er..Pardon the Pun.....Both were Swell !
     
  9. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Thanks, interesting list of names there.

    Characterizing Duran as someone that fights in bursts and Chavez who constantly pressures is a great way to differentiate their aggression. Though Julio was slightly past his best when he fought Whitaker, it was clear that Whitaker's movement alone was not going to easily give him the fight against Chavez, who was in front of him every second of the fight...would Duran be?

    I suppose making a list of who and why each does better/worse against would be beneficial:

    Buchanan
    Camacho
    De Jesus
    Whitaker
    Rosario
    Taylor
    Arguello
    Aguilar
    Cervantes
    Lampkin
    Locche
     
  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah exactly what I'm thinking. That said though, I never saw Duran hurt fighting against guys his own natural size. His chin was pretty darn good, if only a tad behind Julio's.

    Even when DeJesus dropped him a couple of times it was more flash knockdowns than anything else.
     
  11. Hands of Iron

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    That, on top of Esteban being a damn good fighter with an especially good left hook. :good
     
  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those shots would have hurt a LOT of good lightweights. No shame in Duran getting knock downed from them.
     
  13. WhataRock

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    The KD in the first fight seem to hurt him a little...in the 2nd he barely showed any reaction, not much was going to halt him that night.
     
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    I think I'm of the position of Sweet-Scientist here. I want to say that Chavez is more constant, more a grinding down type. And he is but I'm not sure that it suggests Chavez does anything better. Duran was like a tiger with a extraordinary boxing instincts and skills. His pressure was quicker, and if he fought more in spurts it only looked that way because he sprang to fight his aggressive fight more quickly. Only the aged Duran that fought at MW and beyond seemed to fight more in spurts, and that was a huge testimony to his boxing skills and versatility to begin with.

    I wonder if Chavez is a more damaging, thudding puncher. If I match up the fighters I think Duran does better with all of him. If he doesn't its for external reasons that go beyond witnessing the best of Duran. If he is, maybe Chavez is a little tougher, durable, and perhaps more suited for a more physical fight. Maybe he matched up better with Basilio.

    I'm not sure I agree that Chavez does better against Arguello. I can accept the Hearns proposition for the reasons already mentioned.