Jack Johnson suspect chin?

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  1. Ricky42791

    Ricky42791 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Jack Johnson's defensive skills are among the best of all time in boxing. I've seen unforgivable blackness and studying Johnson before. Do you think the man had a suspect chin, therefore putting so much emphasis on defense? Think about the Stanley Ketchal fight. Stanley Ketchal was a ferocious puncher but he was a middleweight. He challenged Jack for the heavyweight title when basically Jack ran out of competition so Ketchal moved up in weight. There are rumors that the fight was fixed and Ketchal "strayed from the script" and Threw a big right hand and dropped johnson. This punch wasnt at all sneaky, Ketchal literally pulled his right hand as far as he could backwards and let it go, basically a big haymaker. The punch drops Johnson, Johnson gets up and knocks out Ketchal and Ketchals teeth. I have heard other sides to the story as well, saying that the fight was legit and Johnson was struggling with Ketchal and made up the story that it was fixed to justify his difficult time. I believe it was a little of both. Originally they agreed to let johnson win but have Ketchal last the distance. Johnson was punishing Ketchal and trying to knock him out or humiliate him knowing he was in no 'real' danger Ketchal got mad hit johnson with his sunday punch illegitimately flooring Johnson and Johnson got up to and finished off Ketchal. Also I forget the name of the bare knuckler who fought Johnson in an exhibition and knocked him out with a "left hook to Johnsons right eye" and then they both got locked up and while they were in jail the bare knuckle fighter showed johnson some tricks of the trade. Johnson also clinched and awful lot which frusterated his opponents before opening up and knocking them out. thoughts?
     
  2. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, getting knocked down by a haymaker from a proven puncher does not indicate a weak chin
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I suspect it was actually a pretty good chin.

    The only thing Johnson was struggling with in that fight was setting hophead Ketchel back on his feet every time he almost fell over.

    I do think the KD was legit, tho. I just don't think Johnson was expecting, per script, Ketchel to actually try something like that.
     
  4. guilalah

    guilalah Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wouldn't say Johnson had a great chin, but hard to imagine, with no KO's between Choyinski ('02) and Willard ('15, and Johnson pretty exhausted), that it was less than decent.
     
  5. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kind of thinkin the same same especially when you consider that during that period he was mixing it with some real toughies like legendary Sam Langford, Jeanette and McVey, Black Bill, Frank Childs, Denver Ed, Marvin Hart, Tommy Burns, Stan Ketchel - and Jeffries couldn't register on him - even Jim Flynn who (some say) was even capable of koing Jack Dempsey of all people (???!!!) couldn't put a dent in him?? So it can't have been that bad
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Johnson was stopped twice before he hit his prime, against Klondike, and Choynski, he then went nearly 15 years before Willard turned the trick when Johnson was 37. I think you have to conclude his chin was decent.
     
  7. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol @ thread and that overrated beyond overrated pimp Johnson.

    Let me ask you this.....let's use a couple of decent middleweight punchers like Pavlik or RJJ and land their best shot on a Tyson , Holyfield or Bowe and imagine they would be ko'ed, pure comedy, this is like trying to stop a charging 1500 pound Brown Bear with a 22........the immediate counter after receiving that featherduster from above mentioned middles at least two if not a three would those poor middles head flying into the cheap seats.........Proof ? Lol, why don't you petition to put the current best middle puncher against WK and see what would happen, there would be public uproar because of legal manslaughter.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Holyfield turned down 25million to face Jones though
     
  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    LOL @ this thread... Johnson doesnt' have a suspect chin.
     
  10. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah when he was 150 years old......the same Jones who ran for the hills when VK was his mandatory or Lemmie tried to bait him into a fight...
     
  11. knockout artist

    knockout artist Boxing Addict banned

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    Can you provide some substantial proof of this please?
     
  12. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Holyfield said that himself in the interview.
     
  13. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    No doubt .. I view him like a Lennox Lewis .. he could and did take some big shots but a bullseye could take him out ..
     
  14. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard they wore 3-4 oz gloves ?

    I thought that sounded light considering the gloves didn't look that small but...
     
  15. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    He was never kod in his prime, but most can be stopped if they are hit right.
    Langford was down around 25 times,and was stopped several times ,was his chin suspect?

    Johnson did not have a chin in the top echelon class ,imo , but it served him well enough,decent but not Chuvalo/McCall class, imo.