Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

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  1. knockout artist

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    Why do people think Jones would stop Calzaghe, Joe's been down, but he's never been close to being knocked out :patsch

    Put it this way, Calzaghe would be the toughest fight of Jones' career and vice versa. I see Both being very respectful and cautious in the early rounds. I see Calzaghe coming forward and trying to pressure Jones behind his jab, and getting caught with a few sharp right hands early on, maybe even knocked down.

    Then, around round 7 onwards, I see Joe making an adjustment, and figuring out how to press Roy, and start landing his punches without getting caught flush by Roy's right hand leads. If Joe can pressure Roy against the ropes, then Joe can go to work and start landing combinations (like Griffin did), body punches would be the best route. If Joe can consistently back Roy up against the ropes, then he can rack up points and start winning rounds (like Griffin did).

    Don't forget, Calzaghe had a huge will to win, and could adapt during fights. Jones throughout his career had no plan B, if you could take Roy out of his comfort zone (like Griffin, Tarver, Johnson) then you could beat him.

    Who wins? I don't know, it's a shame Roy priced himself out of a fight with Calzaghe.
     
  2. SJS19

    SJS19 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very good post Sir, similar to how I see it going.

    I think that the early rounds belong to Jones. Cleaner shots score him points and he uses his legs well enough to dictate where the fight happens, he may even drop Calzaghe once, though I'm certain that the Welshman would get up.

    Around about the 5th, I think JC would start to shift through the gears, and make subtle adjustments. People under rate just how good Calzaghe was at adapting during a fight. I think the rythm of the fight changes and as Jones begins to retreat to the ropes, Joe makes the appropriate steps and flurries in spots, winning rounds on aggression and activity. Jones would still be landing, but not as much as he was, and nowhere near as hard. Roy also had under appreciated ring smarts, so would attempt to nulify JC through pot shotting and leaping to a clinch.

    I think Jones pulls it out the bag in the late rounds, and wins by around about two points, including the KD.

    It's laughable that some think RJJ steam rolls JC. Both were special, and both should be given the credit that they are due.
     
  3. bailey

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    Benn had retired before Calzaghe was even close to world title level,
     
  4. JoeAverage

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    Calzaghe would come to the table with more volume than anyone else.

    And I actually think that this could present Roy with some problems.

    But as a rule... I don't think anyone beats a prime RJJ.
     
  5. SouthpawJab

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    Either Roy wins every round and puts him down once or twice....or Roy blasts him out. I'll lean toward the former. Prime Roy has no problem with swarmers. The more they throw, the more clean shots they take.
     
  6. Mook

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    JONES.

    For heaven's sake, the guy was extraordinary.

    P4P Calzaghe was not the best British fighter of the past 20 years. Lewis (clearly) and Naz were both better. Calzaghe was the best of our excellent, truly world class group of middles and super middles. But none of them, even my favourite Benn, were at the level of Jones or Toney. Calzaghe and Benn would both have chances, but no more than that.
     
  7. bailey

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    I think in the early rounds Jones is catching Calzaghe with some wide fact punches, winning rounds on the cards but not dominating, from around round 4 Calzaghe starts to back Jones up and unloading fast hard combinations while Jones is backed up, that now Jones is struggling with. Calzaghes jab is working well to measure Jones. By around round 8 the fight is in the balance, but Calzaghes better workrate is stopping Jones moving like he likes to. Jones starts to look a bit worse for wear and Calzaghe hurts Jones piles on the pressure and Jones gets stopped round 11
     
  8. SJS19

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    As I'm sure you know, you're going to catch hell for that :lol:
     
  9. Mook

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    That said, it's wrong to class Calzaghe as a swarmer. He had more strings to his bow than that. He didn't swarm against Kessler, for example. He swarmed against BHop and resorted to his worst tendencies, because they were all wrong for BHop. BHop is the better fighter, but as they got older and Calzaghe only relied on fitness that oddly made him a terrible style match-up for BHop.
     
  10. Mook

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    as he should. the Calzaghe who fought against Lacy was exceptional. Let's take that as his best and, say, Jones vs Hill. Watch those fights and tell me you'd take Calzaghe over RJJ. No way. Jones was all wrong for everyone, but times that by about a million for Calzaghe.
     
  11. Imperial1

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    When Joe had been dropped in the past it was against lesser fighters ..Many of them were flash KD's ..But when he fought a shot to bits Roy Jones and was dropped he was actually hurt ..Its laughable that anyone thinks a prime Joe could compete with a puncher the caliber of Jones at his best ..
     
  12. SJS19

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    Very good points.

    When it comes to your other point (Lacy and Hill versions of each), Calzaghe would of beaten that version of Hill, and Jones would of hospitalised that version of Lacy. (Calzaghe didn't have fight ending power, so slapped him half to death instead.) Joe never found out where his ceiling was, so it's not unrealistic to speculate that he competes with Jones.
     
  13. bailey

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    People say Roy was shot when Calzaghe beat him but show me where he was so different there to when he failed a test against R Hall and where the hand speed was so different. The difference was Jones was facing someone who could match him for speed and had a bit more ring generalship. Hall couldnt close the gaps like Calzaghe

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcSVev-wcdI&feature=fvwrel[/ame]
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-1qzWVmGmU[/ame]

    No doubt there will be some that say well if you cant tell the difference, but let them explain
     
  14. bailey

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    Hill coming off a loss and Calzaghe at nearly 34 you call his best. You probably didnt know him before Lacy except for what you have watched since on Youtube
     
  15. Imperial1

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol: How old was Jones in the Hall fight vs the Calzaghe fight :lol::lol::lol: