Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

It wouldn't have been a megafight at the time, Joe wasn't hyped at all until Roy was on a serious decline. RJJ would have handled him easily and Joe would have been dismissed as a eurobum, because everyone RJJ dominates instantly morphs from a fighter into a cab driver.

 

It was a fore-arm, not even a punch atsch

I watched it, saw Joe get up, press the action and outland Jones for the rest of the round.

 

I think people are underestimating Jones' ability to control the center of the ring in his prime. It's one of the biggest losses to his game once he slipped. Joe would make it competitive with his volume and savvy (as I said in my previous post here), but I don't think he'd be able to land steadily and find himself walking into too many hard shots.

 

Sensible debate yet your saying Jones was the same fighter against Hall than he was against Jones ? I think we have a much diffrent definition of what sensible is ..Calzaghe was only a ring general against people who were not on his level ! I like how you hype him up as an all time great yet the only time he faced all time greats was when they were past their best. I personally could care less what you and knock out have to say when you 2 clowns are boxing rec warrior slaves who draw up your conclsions from a website that just reports data as opposed to actually watching fights !

And Head don't talk about anyone's arguements when all you do is repeat the same **** over and over again ..

 

Sort of what I mean. Plus, RJJ would have got to Lacy and Kessler (the latter fight being more impressive, in the sense that JC clearly had lost a step or three) first, so JC would have remained a nobody.

You have to feel for JC as well. Lacy was very, very good going into that fight. He really wasn't the same afterwards. Had Lacy just retired, more credit would be given to Calzaghe. Instead he loses his due because a wasted Lacy fought on.

 

People say Roy was shot when Calzaghe beat him but show me where he was so different there to when he failed a test against R Hall and where the hand speed was so different. The difference was Jones was facing someone who could match him for speed and had a bit more ring generalship. Hall couldnt close the gaps like Calzaghe

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No doubt there will be some that say well if you cant tell the difference, but let them explain

 

Is Calzaghe the one to diminish his opponents power, though? During the Kessler fight he ate several clean shots while going on the offence. And we all remember the uppercut Jones landed flush in the 6th round. I dont think Calzaghes ring IQ is as high as it is made out to be. I think he is more of an intuitive fighter. When he started to take over against Kessler it was not as much by changing the tactics as by timing him, and using some really weird movements in the process. (Calzaghes abillty to get a feeling for his opponents is by the way one of the reasons to why I believe he would UD Ward. It would be skill against art.)

 

well heres a clue how round 12 would look like

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Calzaghe had Hopkins backpedalling and going into survival mode, faking low blows to buy himself time. Do you not think Hopkins has a high ring IQ

Also, what does Boxrec have to do with anything?

The point Bailey was trying to make is that when Jones fought Calzaghe, he wasn't as diminished as gets made out, he was still ranked number 6 by the Ring, and was a good fighter (obviously not the fighter he once was).

Also, HEAD' would destroy you in a debate.

 

You're kidding? you must be? the arm puncher vs someone one who hit with purpose? the fighter on his toes against the flat-footed guy? Calzaghe was better than Hall, no doubt, but this is a huuuuuuuge stretch

 

Exactly. a hugely impressive performance by JC. I'm sure he was past it by then and he hadn't jabbed properly in years. definitely the hardest he'd punched in years. I think pre-Ruiz RJJ wins every day and twice on Sundays, but that doesn't take away from JC.

 

the answers to my questions were

1 - it was an illegal forearm

2 - in the 40 seconds after the knockdown calzaghe never held jones once and traded blows for the rest of the round

3 - within 90 seconds of the 2nd round, calzaghe was dropping his hands and placing his head through the guard of roy jones.

and you think this is a man who was hurt worse than any other time in his career nut:rofl

the only man whoever truely hurt calzaghe in his career imo was eubank in round 12.

 

Was it an arm punch Jones threw in round 6 at the end against Calzaghe? So you say Jones became shot and threw arm punches all of a sudden?
Maybe Jones was a bit more flat footed, but then at nearly 37 Calzaghe had slowed a bit too. Dont forget Jones was found to have something in his system in that Hall fight also. Could that have made a difference.
The huuuge stretch is how much faster and more skilfull Calzaghe was to Hall and how Calzaghe new how to close the ring down