USADA claim that Floyd and Cotto both Went Through CIR Blood Tests

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  1. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    For those saying that the USADA were easy tests to pass and cheat with, hopefully this posts to rest some of the speculation:


    The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency took issue with assertions made by Victor Conte in a May 9 NYFightBlog post ("Peterson-Khan II off; Victor Conte told us so").

    Conte was introduced to the sports world when his BALCO empire was busted in 2004. He was indicted for distributing steroids and had to serve four months in prison in 2005 and 2006. The California resident, who now runs a nutritional supplement company, has of late been vocal about what he says is the rampant use and abuse of PEDs in the sports world. He has been working with several boxers, including ex-welterweight champion Andre Berto and current super bantamweight champion Nonito Donaire, advising them on training methods and supplement use.

    After junior welterweight champion Lamont Peterson (30-1; age 28; from D.C.) tested positive for a banned substance on Tuesday, NYFightBlog checked in with Conte, the man who helped create a number of designer performance enhancers and admitted he crafted PED intake plans for some of the world's foremost athletes.

    Fight fans were amped to see if Peterson could perform as well on May 19 as he did on Dec. 10, when he beat WBA and IBF champion Amir Khan via split decision. We asked for Conte's take on the positive test, and the ramifications when the disappointing news hit the wires.

    Conte, not one to shrink into the background following his stint of ignominy, weighed in.

    In the May 9 post, he applauded the outfit that oversaw the Peterson-Khan tests, VADA (Voluntary Anti-Doping Association), and opined that it was to VADA's credit that Peterson was flagged for what turned out to be usage of synthetic testosterone. Conte took heavy shots at the testing giant USADA (U.S. Anti-Doping Agency), the national anti-doping organization for the U.S. Olympic team, named by Congress the official anti-doping agency for Olympic, Pan American and Paralympic sport in the U.S.

    Specifically, Conte said the USADA might not have caught Peterson because, Conte maintained, it does not use the CIR (carbon isotope ratio) test on every sample.

    "CIR is a regular part of the USADA testing program for all athletes under USADA's jurisdiction, as well as a routine part of the anti-doping programs conducted by USADA in the sport of professional boxing," USADA said. "It is completely inaccurate to say that CIR testing would only be done if a T/E ratio is 4-1."

    Conte told NYFightBlog that VADA flagging the Peterson specimen will result in the embrace of the CIR test by testing entities, and the jettisoning of the T/E ratio test, which he disputed as a loophole you can fit a Mack truck through.

    USADA countered that CIR has, in fact, been embraced in the testing community:

    "CIR has been used by anti-doping organizations internationally since the early 2000s and there have been many athletes sanctioned by USADA and other national anti-doping organizations around the world as the result of CIR testing. CIR is an important tool in our toolbox and we use it strategically and effectively."

    Conte, in the May 9 post, didn't hide his take that he thinks VADA's screen are superior to USADA's. USADA reached out to NYFightBlog to rebut what it says are erroneous assertions by Conte, and assure sports fans that their protocol and test plans are top grade.

    "USADA also collects longitudinal data that allows us to monitor any fluctuations in an athlete's own biological parameters and closely examine any changes or indicators," USADA said. "(USADA) can also confirm that for the (May 5) Mayweather vs. Cotto fight, all of the samples collected from both fighters underwent CIR testing."


    The fallout from the Peterson positive, shocking to the fight game community since we heard that he'd been the one to push hard for stringent testing, continues to ripple. Khan (26-2; age 25; living in England) issued a statement after word dropped that the fight was scrapped.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/boxing/post/_/id/1430/usada-counters-conte-assertions
     
  2. mrjotatp4p

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  3. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Testing methods between agencies do not really differ from one another. What makes them different is the criteria they set in determining who is without a doubt cheating and who is not.

    USADA/WADA criteria allows many cheats to get away. It seems their criteria numbers are more based on protecting their reputaton on not falsely accusing clean fighters with doubtful results and being sued for millions than actually trying to catch cheats.

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    "Danish researchers recently set out to test how well the labs can detect EPO by medicating eight student volunteers with the drug over a period of weeks. The athletic performance of these students improved in some cases by 50%. But when over 100 urine samples from the students were sent anonymously to two WADA-approved laboratories, they produced very different results. One of the labs declared none of the samples positive."
     
  4. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    **** Europe. PEDerson just got busted so things are working out well.
     
  5. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    It was VADA who busted LP. I wonder if USADA would have declared LP urine samples as failed or passed considering their different criteria.

    :think
     
  6. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Doubtful. VADA has only been around for a year or so. It's VERY new. USADA have suspended a lot of people in the past and they are much more established.
     
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  8. catnthehat

    catnthehat Pac doesn't deserve 50/50 Full Member

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    Legit and to the point..thanks for the thread too! This is good stuff!
     
  9. Cormega

    Cormega Quadruple OG Full Member

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    What different criteria? Peterson didn't test positive for EPO. He tested positive for an anabolic steroid. Based on everything I've read both VADA and USADA have the same T/E ratio threshold and both perform the same CIR test to determine if the athlete has natural or synthetic testosterone in his system. The only evidence that you've provided of them using any "different criteria" is having to do with EPO testing, which obviously doesn't apply in this case.
     
  10. Divi253

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    Good information. Glad USADA is on top of it as much as if not more than VADA.
     
  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    They seem very reputable. I've said many times that USADA have caught Synthetic testosterone users in the past but it always goes ignored.

    Just looking for ways to tear down fighters and their good deeds I guess.
     
  12. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    USADA/WADA has caught alot, but how many have they let walk away? The example I used was for EPO, but that doesn't change the common knowledge that USADA/WADA has a practice in place, be whatever substance they are testing, that allows obvious cheats to walk away. Many athletes know this and are using the loophole to get away with juicing.
     
  13. Santino

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    Why you so butthurt that your god pac doesn't undertake further testing and is frightened to his little socks? :hey

    Why don't you ring your professor to try get the answer to that question? :thumbsup
     
  14. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    But they've also used tests in court, to ban, fine and send people to prison.
     
  15. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    I know that. The question was how many have they let walk away? If the WADA accredited lab that found no failed sample among the 100 EPO laced urine samples, who is anyone to think that everything is just fine?