Which fighters would Chavez do better against than Duran would?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    Let's throwout the window mythical match ups of how you think Duran/Chavez and focus on who they fought and how they did.

    Duran against Chavez Opponents:

    Taylor - Duran wouldn't get hit as much as Chavez and would take advantage of Taylor's defensive deficiencies quicker than Chavez did. I see Taylor being stopped mid rounds

    Delahoya - even if he was past his prime I don't see Duran not taking advantages of DLH's telegraphing and defensive issues. Then again Benitez, Leonard and Laing all give past prime Duran nightmares with movement.

    Whitaker - the real question mark opponent of many debates, the defensive stylist is a style that beat Duran later in his career, which some excuse with him being past prime. Buchananan is the highest level defensive boxer mover that beat.

    Chavez may well have done better against Whitaker than Duran would, although I don't think that's a given


    Randall - Duran would eat Randall up

    Rosario - Duran would dissect him

    Chavez against Duran's Opponents

    Leonard - I can't see Chavez having much success with Leonard at all

    Benitez - Chavez may do better here but maybe not, pressuring 5'10 Benitez is probably a harder proposition than pressuring 5'6 Whitaker

    Buchanan - Chavez wins but this would be much closer as Chavez wouldn't bring the same intensity as Duran

    Palermino - I think this would be a close fight for Chavez that he should edge

    DeJesus - I'll have to have a think about this 1.....

    Thinking about it, Chavez is maybe a bit more methodical, but Duran was the significantly better offensive and defensive attributes and quicker too
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Interesting breakdown.

    The reason I chose hypothetical scenarios is because the weight jumps and the condition they were in at multiple points in their career make it impossible to judge. Matching up Chavez against Leonard at 147 doesn't tell me much about the trade-offs between their styles objectively. The only common opponents you could gauge are the competition both had at 135, and Chavez's fights at 140.

    I see Duran beating just about everyone Chavez did; the question is, does he do it faster and better each time out, or does he do worse in some way some of the time? Why/why not?
     
  3. lufcrazy

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    Chavez beat camacho.

    Did duran ever beat someone as stylistically good on that level?
     
  4. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Buchanan, Dejesus.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    You really think de jesus is of stylistic comparison to someone like macho?
     
  6. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I tried to imagine that size/strength wouldn't play a factor. Duran campaigned more over his optimum weight than Chavez really. But yes sticking to 135-140lbs may give a better comparison, ofcourse Duran left those weights a a 26yo. I'd still stick in Whitaker at 147 as Whitaker is smaller than Duran really

    Anyway I don't think Duran does worse against anyone of Chavez's opponents bar maybe Whitaker and think Chavez most likely has more problems with Buchanan and DeJesus
     
  7. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    No.

    He doesn't run that much.
     
  8. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    I forgot about Camacho, the thing is though Camacho was past his best and ultimately not the gutsiest of fighters and likely goes into a shell
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    Yeah his courage is the one thing that lets him down. I think he takes the early rounds until duran nails him with a big right. From then duran sweeps every round.

    My only issue is that duran, by my reckoning, never beat a slick elusive type of fighter.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    Buchanan has an argument to be just that, not as quick as Camacho, but maybe better fundamentals
     
  11. Lester1583

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    Viruet? Fernandez? Marcel?
     
  12. lufcrazy

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    You think his fundamentals are better? I'm not overly sure.

    If camacho was mentally strong he'd have been a superstar imo.
     
  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    It seems this is a constant theme when contrasting them; do people think Chavez cut off a ring better (or at least is more proven in doing so against actively mobile fighters)?
     
  14. lora

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    Chavez was definitely more consistent against runners or good fighters that used loads of movement.

    Not that i really think Duran struggled with movers as such, but if they were also conservative offensively he could go through the motions for chunks of the bout and spend longer in 2nd or 3rd gear than was needed.
     
  15. KuRuPT

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    I think Ken B. and De Jesus were every bit as slick and fudamentally sound as macho.. if not more so. Macho was obviously faster than either, but Chavez also didn't fight a peak Macho either. You can't put a peak macho against Duran and give chavez the edge there when he beat a past prime one... Duran destroys the same version of the Macho Man. Prime for Prime.. Duran would struggle more, just like Chavez would.