Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

That's not the only variable. Take into account that Ruiz and Clinton Woods were slower, and worse fighters than Tarver as well. Losing 8 pounds won't kill you

 

I havent missed anything. This is what I said about people not being able to answer and then jumping on the bandwagon as soon as someone else does.
Remember this fight was also when Jones was found to have failed a test also. Could that make a difference?
What you cant see though is how much the opponent makes the difference also. Calzaghe was faster with better footwork and ring generalship than Hall. Jones would look alot faster against a more stationary fighter like Hall.
Dont forget Calzaghe was closer to the end of his career than Jones and at a new weight and past his prime

 

Jones beat Tarver that first time around. It wasnt till the rematch that Jones lost and then he gave Tarver a tough rubber match.
Could it be that Jones was fighting someone better than normal at LHW? Tarver had no fear of Jones and had been chasing him for a while. I dont recall anyone else before then going into a LHW fight with Jones in that mindset

 

What a load of rubbish.
Jones said he didnt want to fight Calzaghe whilst Joe chased him for a while.
How do you think Jones could have stopped Joe. Calzaghe got knocked down, got up and traded punches, he wasnt staggering around the ring.
Could Del Valle have stopped Jones because Roy seemed more hurt there than Calzaghe did.

People are so silly when it comes to a KD. Del Valle lost to Bruno Girard and Girard didnt get knocked down, so does that mean Girard was better than Jones? Of course it doesnt, but Del Valle knocked Jones down and hurt him, something he couldnt do to Girard

 

You're pretty niave if you think swarming is the only gameplan Calzaghe could employ.:good

 

I say Jones dominates the whole fight just like he did every fight before the Tarver fight. I like Calzaghe, but I that is the reason he didn't fight jones and hopkins until they were past it.

 

This is also how I see it. I could add that I believe Jones degnerated mentally as well and got sloppy with his training. Botton line is that in boxing speed, power and reflexes means a lot, and if you are a split second faster no training in the world will save your opponents ass.

 

Hopkins refused a career high payday in 2002 to face Calzaghe in America. According to Frank ****** and Joe, Roy Jones always priced himself out of a fight with Calzaghe, he didn't want anything to do with Joe back when they were prime.

 

He didnt fight them because they both wouldnt fight Calzaghe. Thats not Calzaghe that was them.
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6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".
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*THIS VIDEO IS ON YOUTUBE: 'Roy Jones jr looks ahead to Calzaghe'*

Steve Bunce: When did Joe first pop up in a conversation?

Roy Jones: When he beat Chris Eubank I started watching him then.

Steve Bunce: 1997

Roy Jones: I knew it then...but he then kinda backed down on the opponents he was fighting so I RELEASED THE IDEA OF IT [fighting Joe].

So Jones admits he was aware of Joe early on, but wasn't interested in fighting him.


BBC, 21st November 2001.
"It's all very well being the best in the world, but you need big names for big fights," he reflects.

A fight with the Eric Lucas, the WBC champion, is a possibility, but unification fights are notoriously hard and expensive to arrange.

As is a bout with Roy Jones.

"To be honest I'm getting quite fed up with it," Calzaghe said.

A bout against the undisputed light heavyweight champion has been the subject of ongoing speculation.

"It's difficult because of the different networks involved. He's with HBO and I'm with Showtime - that's a massive obstacle in itself.

"Secondly, you've got to ask yourself whether Roy Jones would want to fight me.
"At the moment he picks his own opponents, fights the easiest guys he can and gets a lot of money for beating them.

"I'm dangerous and I can take the mega money out of his pocket. Why would he want to fight me?


Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any argument you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....


roy jones the man who fought Richard Frazier the part time cop and then bragged about his greatness afterward....

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Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

"I spent five or six years chasing Jones and he acted like he never even knew my name," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

“I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.

”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

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When was Calzaghe meant to fight Jones anyway? Jones was at HW before Calzaghe fought B Mitchell.

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- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.
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it absolutely staggers belief how roy jones fanboys try and pretend that roy wasn't a steroid cheat. look at the deal being made about peterson at the minute and roys case was far worse, being found to have 6 times the upper level of testosterone in his system the 1st time he was ever tested.

posters on here are saying roy declined after the hall fight - no ****ing **** sherlock atsch

from that moment on roy jones was clean, fighting on a level playing field with his opponents.

 

its sad how people always want to beat up on Joe! Why did the TS ask this question? Is he trying to make people think of Joe getting is ass whipped until RJJ decides to put him out of his misery? I swear, people are always trying beat up joes legacy by having everyone picturing him lying in the ring with RJJ dancing over him. Just let joe retire in peace. I am assuming calslappy (bailey) himself is spamming this thread all saying that he would out work Prime RJJ and would KO him late. I think it is pretty pathetic that Joe has to come on these boards and try and defend his own legacy. He should leave it to losers like headgiver.

 

why you so mad jasper :huh

is it because your a blinkered roy jones fanboy who can't see the wood for the trees? :think

is it because roy jones folded like a lawn chair everytime he was faced with adversity? :yep

is it because jones couldn't adapt in the ring? is it because when plan A failed, there was no plan B? :yep



or is it because of this

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or is because nothing will ever change that a shot, bloated calzaghe with the most brittle hands in boxing went to america and did this to your hero? :rofl

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