Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

I always hated RJJ . . . and glad to see tarver KHTFO. but after his he got beat down by johnson he has become one of the saddest sights in boxing every time he entered the ring. guys he would have toyed with for the whole fight, like calslappy, slapping the **** out of him. I hated Bird, Jordan, and Greztky back in the day. . . but overtime you appreciate their greatness. You separate them from the hype jobs Wilkens, Ovetchkin & calslappy.

In other another 10 years people will be saying "JOE WHO?"

nothing you or even Joe himself (bailey) say that will change his fate . . . he will only be a second tier HOF who people from his hometown will talk about but no one will give a ****.

 

I bet Hopkins and Jones wont talk about him much either, though I doubt they will forget him

 

Calzaghe almost got KO'd in one round by the rotting, festering corpse of Roy Jones. The obvious conclusion one has to reach is that he would get Griffin'd if he were to meet the actual Roy Jones. But of course this never came about because the brits that were in or around the respective weight class(es) of Jones were absolutely petrified of him in the 90's, after seeing what he did to Britian's #1 p4p fighter Thulani Malinga, who beat Benn & Eubank(robbed) while he was in his 40's. And decisively beat an undefeated Robin Reid, who himself was robbed against Calzaghe. yep

 

Calzaghe was nowhere getting KO'd, furthermore Joe Calzaghe is not Montel Griffin. It was Jones who avoided the likes of Collins, Benn, Eubank and Calzaghe when they were around. Not to mention Dariusz Michalczewski. It was when Jones stepped up his competition at LHW and faced Tarver that he got found out. Him and HBO did a great job of convincing the world he was P4P number 1, beating up the likes of Glenn Kelly, Lou Del Valle (Who almost knocked him out!), David Telesco and part time police officer Rick Frazier.

 

I love this forum!

Round and round we go.

First off,

Roy didn't want to fight Joe in and around 2002. Why? Because (for the millionth time) despite Joe been great, he was a nobody outside of the U.K. in 2002.

That's not my opinion, that's a fact!

Bailey, I've seen those videos numerous times. There's a video on youtube with Roy, post fight Woods.

That is the interview that Joe refers to on soccer am. After Woods, Roy has 3 potential opponents. Ruiz, Tarver and Joe. When Ruiz became a real possibility, who do you think Roy is going to want to fight?

It would have taken Roy a split second to decide. 1. Fight Joe who nobody knows, 2. Fight for a version of the Heavyweight title.

We know that Joe was great and Ruiz wasn't, but come on!

We're talking about the Heavyweight Title. There was no way Roy was going to turn down that opportunity, and then come down in weight to fight Joe. It's ludicrous!

Also, Joe claims he chased a fight with Roy for 6 years. Ha! HOW??

Let's look at cold hard facts.

Joe chased Roy?

I'm sick of typing the same stuff every month.

Did Joe ever fight in Roy's Country? NO!

Did he ever fight in Roy's weight class? (despite telling everyone he had to starve himself to make 168) NO!

Did Joe ever publicly call Roy out? (post fight etc?) NO!

He kept resigning with Frank, and he never had any intention of going to the U.S. to build a fanbase like Ricky Hatton did.

Apparently he was scared of flying.

In 2008, he overcame his fear.

In 2006 he said Roy was washed up at 37, and it was pointless fighting him.

in 2008, When Roy's two months from his 40th birthday, guess what??

Roy's back to his best! He's rejuvinated haha! He's had three great wins and he's back to his best.

Ajamu, Hanshaw and Tito who weighed over 170 who hadn't fought for three years.

Joe was a great fighter, but let's tell it how it was.

Joe never chased Roy. Talk is cheap.

He never did anything to get Roy in the ring.

Finally, I just thought i'd post the following opinion, from a boxing fan from another website.

Maybe he's also a member on here? I know I can't mention the site, but I found it very interesting.

It's regarding weight loss.

I hope whoever has written it, doesn't mind me using it.

Here goes.



Johnson made his name of fighting a Jones who was coming off a kayo loss...he wasnt psychologically the same fighter...you could see how worried he was about being hit, Jones was one of the most self-assured fighters in history...he hardly threw any punches in that fight and stayed along the ropes 70% of the time not taking anything away from Johnson but had he fought Jones 2002 or earlier at 175 he would have been facing a confident better version of Jones

Here is a true story for you, alot of people dont understand how hard it is to go up and down in weight and how it affects you.

..my junior year of high school I wrestled in the 140 weight class and walked around at 132 before the season(the captain was at 135 no way i was gonna beat him for the spot, it was my first year) any way I spent that whole season and the rest of the year before next season building myself to get accustomed to wrestling the bigger guys and build up my muscle mass ended up 3rd in my area and made it to state.

My senior year arrives and my coach wants me to drop down to 135 said i would be bigger and stronger than my opponents and I could make the weight easier than my friend who was of similar size so I dropped down...the thing was my natural weight by this point was 145 before the season started and I was only 7% body fat

truth be told I killed myself all season trying to make 135 and in most tournaments they spot you two pounds(137) to wrestle in that class. I was stronger than most my opponents but my stamina wasnt nearly as good as it was the previous year...my complexion was ****ed up my eyes were yellow and my lips were dry the lowest i felt comfortable at was 139, anyway the region championships come along and Im dying to make the weight we reach the scales and I weigh in at 137.2...the only time i ever weighed in naked and still didnt make weight, I was so disappointed and will never forget that

the moral of the story is people dont understand how hard it is to make a particular weight especially if they never had to....5-6 pounds with low body fat is hell on you and you are not the same, consider dude was 35+ doing that, I was a teenager

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A different perspective there.

Great debate.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Jones TKOs him back to fighting Pudwell in 8.

 

http://youtu.be/QhSxpemf838?t=26m47s


Roy priced himself out of negotiations with Joe Calzaghe. You state that Joe was not worthy of fighting Roy, maybe you could tell us all what were the following were doing to try and force a fight with jones





Fermin Chirino

Danny Garcia

Antoine Bird

Vinny Pazienza

Tony Thornton

Eric Lucas

Bryant Brannon

Lou Del Valle

Otis Grant

Richard Frazier

David Telesco

Richard Hall

Derek Harmon

Glen Kelly

Prince Badi Ajamu

Anthony hamshaw





Roy lost between 8-13 pounds for the fight with Tarver. Archie Moore went from HW to LHW, back up and back down in the 50's and he was strong. Thomas Hearns went from 175 down to 160 and knocked out Roldan to win a MW title. With modern technology and advances in Sports Science, Roy would have had the best advice available.


http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12524664&postcount=507


Roy was at weight a week before the fight

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HvAMPRQ-6nA#!


He went from 193-185 to face Tarver, the weight loss is one of the biggest myths.

 

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and I'm not a big man ha!

I didn't know joe had said that, so fair enough.

However, talk is cheap.

He never did any of the other things that I mentioned to get a fight.

Would you class that as chasing Roy for a fight?

You know how Ricky got Floyd in the ring.

Joe was a nobody in the Boxing world around the time of this interview, and nothing changed until 2006, but by then, he'd missed his chance.

You can't chase a guy for 6 years, when nobody knows who you are.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Hi mate! How's it going?

Great debate!

We know Roy had made weight a week before, but that doesn't mean he didn't struggle to get there.

I'm not saying Joe wasn't worthy, or wasn't as good as the fighters on that list. I'm saying nobody knew who he was, and he didn't do a great deal to get Roy in the ring.

America is the home of boxing. That's just the way it is. Roy has the luxery of being American.

90 per cent of those fighters were known to U.S. fight fans. A few of them were mandortaries. Handshaw and amaju were comeback fights when he was 37/38.

Chino and Garcia were two easy fights sandwiched between Malinga and Toney I think.

Del Valle was a title fight.

Telesco had ran his mouth off, and HBO pushed for that fight.

Kelly was a bum. But he was in Roy's weight class.

Joe never put himself in a position to fight Roy.

Roy was never going to move down in weight and knock on Joe's door.

He went to the States eight years too late.

 

Hi Loudon, I'm good thanks mate, how are you?

No doubt that making weight does take a toll, but it gets exaggerated, and some state that Roy was 'shot' after Ruiz, which just isn't true.

I agree that unless on rare occasions (e.g.the Klitschko brothers), fighters often have to go to America to make their name. Look at the publicity Pirog received for KO'ing Jacobs, even though Pirog hasn't really done anything else of note.

Joe and Frank have stated on a number of occasions that they tried to get the Roy Jones fight back in the day, and Roy has never denied it (to the best of my knowledge).

Whilst Roy gets some unfair stick for fighters that he did and didn't fight, I feel Joe get's it worse on these boards. The number of times I've read that 'Joe waited and hid out until Hopkins and Jones were in their 40's before fighting them' is ridiculous. It's not true, Joe had agreed to come and fight Hopkins in America in 2002, and it was Bernard who pulled out. You have a video of Joe calling out Jones, and another video of Joe saying that fights with Jones fell through, because Roy simply wanted far too much money.

 

Easy UD for RJJ. if Calazaghe gets disparate, he's out. A shot RJJ knocked him down, a prime RJJ will have no problem with him.

 

Neither one ducked Benn, counsellor.