The De La Hoya wasn't drained against Pac theory

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8 weeks out = 156, right ?

3 weeks out = 147, right ?

that equals 9 pounds in 5 weeks, right ?

Now was he already in decent shape at 156 ?

If so, I'm counting that as muscle loss from 156 to 147. So the right way, to lose muscle, would not be to do it in 8 weeks, let alone 5. And, no matter what, it would be ill-advised for anyone at this stage of his career to make that weight as his walk-around weight. So there would be no "healthy way" of doing it. Not in this specific case when his body needs to be fit for a Professional fighter/athlete. That must be noted as specific because an athlete must be able to strive, not survive.

Muscle loss is more detrimental to the body than Fat when losing it this fast.

Fat will burn off. But Muscle, eh...takes time.

Take a stead. Light a Fire. See which will burn faster: the fat or the meat.

Also: Try to build muscle and see how much longer it takes to gain muscle tissue.

Then, stop, sit on a couch, eat ice-cream, and see how long it takes to gain fat.


So my conclusion is that Oscar forced his body down at an "unnatural" weight through diet and exercise which caused his body's equilibrium to be thrown off. And by keeping his body down at that weight, an unhealthy weight for an athlete his age and years removed from that weight...it caused his body to be drained of its ability to properly function and hold on to proper nutrients and water.

Something like that

That is if I have it correct.

 

At least it was noted as a possibility and the cloud of history wasn't to thick for all to see.

To much hype is blinding.

I remember when people were acting like this 5'11, 215 pound HW was Godzilla and a Bully despite going up against bigger Men.

You know that same hype that led people to believe Pac was still this 106 pound fighter that was fighting at WW...was the same thing that had a certain team question how he was doing it.

 

let me see if i have it correct...take all that you just said....and thats his
EXCUSE for getting his ass kicked by a guy who....
4 years earlier was fighting for the

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i would rather do the roberto duran route by not talking about it for 20 years rather than use a lame ass ****ing excuse that even if a little drained...you couldnt beat a featherweight half your size....... pathetic excuse

 

its not hype when it has NEVER been done before.... its a big deal to some people now to win a title in 2 or 3 divisions... he was in his 10th division and the underdog of course and its just hype because anyone could it or the reason he did do it and its not amazing is steroids turned him to super pac man.....didnt do much for fernando vargas, but pac man could knock a building down apparently

 

You also have to factor in he had 3 weeks to where his body adjusts and get acclimated to his new walkaround weight. Now let's look at that timespan, shall we? If you went down to 147 now...and you maintain that weight 3 weeks later, are you as still weak as you were 3 weeks ago? Are you still drained?

 

Drained or not, Pacquiao wasn't going to move up THREE weight divisions for one fight. The two weight division jump was ridiculous enough to make Pacquiao a huge underdog.

 

somehow people forget that information.... or since he actually made it look easy, then it was easy because something must have been wrong with oscar...draining...oh yeah thats it....

 

Basically sums it all up.

 

Isn't that typical with all fights, huge underdog or not. I'm sure you remember almost EVERYONE, whether on this site or not, laughed at the idea of Pacquiao vs DLH and called it a circus where DLH carries Pac for 2 rounds and knocks him sparks out in 3.

 

No irony, Scar, may I send an invitation so that we can become friends here in ESB site? I officially elect this member the wisest and the most neutral and I don't care if he likes Hopkins or if his avatar is with Floyd Mayweather.

 

Your body won't adjust. That's my point. He would actually be keeping his body in stress mode. If the body's equilibrium is thrown off...and lets say his hormones are now being affected and his Cortisol level is off...and he is fighting against that...that is deadly for a Pro Athlete.

Can you ever get used to "starvation" ?

He was forcing his body down at a weight he could no longer be as a pro athlete and be healthy.

 

i know right?
and guess what? i was one of the guys that said "pac just jumped one too many weight divisions, and he will get his ass handed to him but paid well while doing so"

 

I've never accused him of Steroid use actually. But because of the circumstances, it gave reason for some others to believe he was on.

For me, I looked through history. So Look up who Barbados Joe Walcott, Sam Langford, and others had to go up against for height and weight disparity as well as quality. Then come back.

But yes, when something "has never been done before" that does raise questions. Now where those questions lead and the opinions and facts that follow...

Titles and divisions: well, it is hard to do but we also have more divisions, and more titles. Catch-weights. Picking and choosing opponents at the right time. Corruption where you can fight fighters that are ranked for World titles, etc.
But yes, still hard to do. I just wouldn't be to dramatic about it given all that is mentioned.

 

that makes sense had oscar went down to 147 and the guy coming up was a big 140 pound guy that had always drained himself to make 140, thus making him a pretty even matched fight.... but a featherweight? ****ing a man...DLH is a world class athlete who 6 or 7 times naturally bigger than should have been able to beat the world class featherweight if he had the flew, diarrhea, strained groin, and a tooth ache.....