Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

Does it change the fact the ref called it as a KD, and that Joe was badly hurt??:nut
Why would I try to re-write history, am I Roy Jones? No. Do I give a **** what the result was? No.
See theres the difference, Im writing it how it is, you seek justification for your "life" by trying to score points on a forum.
I couldnt give a flying **** about how you, or anyone else see's it, as well, why would I??

 

Bailey,

In response to your second post.

I've been proven wrong in the sense that, I didn't realise he'd mentioned Roy's name in a post fight interview, but that is not chasing a fight is it? Ricky chased Floyd and got the his dream fight for mega money. As I've said, he mentiones Roy's name and Bernard's, and then look at who he goes onto fight afterwards. He didn't do any chasing.

Steve Collins was desperate for a fight with Roy, and I've got a huge amount of repect for Collins for doing what he did. Joe would never have done that. If he had've done that, and Roy had have turned him down, fair enough, but Joe never did that. Collins chased Roy, Joe didn't. But again, what did Collins bring to the table in 96/97? Roy was up at 175 with his sights on Unifying the division. He'd lost to McCallum who Roy had beat, and at the time, why would Roy have come down in weight to fight him?

What was in it for Roy? Collins didn't have a 175 Title. If he had've, I'm sure Roy would have been happy to fight him. He turned down numerous challenges from Steve, and then went on to fight Reggie in a Unification fight. He scored a complete shutout against him, and Reggie beat Collins.

You say that Joe was willing to travel, but he didn't did he? Like I said, nobody expected Joe to jump on a plane and go straight into a megafight. We know Hopkins messed him around, that's fair enough, but he could have fought a lesser opponent to get noticed. He could have had a few fights and stirred up some interest, then Frank would have had more power to negotiate.

You ask the question, why should Joe have had to build a fan base in America? The answer to that question is obvious. America is the home of Boxing. No if's or but's, that's just the way it is. The biggest fights are staged there, and most of the top fighters in the World, are either American, or they live and fight there. I'm not saying it's fair, but that's how it is.

This is how simple it is. If Joe wasn't known to casual fans In America, he had absolutely no chance of fighting Roy at his peak. Roy was never going to come to the U.K. He didn't have to. He was the best fighter in the World. He wasn't going to come to Newbridge. If you want to fight the best, you have to go over and fight the best.

Tyson wouldn't have come over here to fight Bruno. Barrera wouldn't have come over here to fight Naz, Floyd wouldn't have come over to fight Ricky in the M.E.N. etc. The fight with Dariusz wouldn't happen, because he wouldn't leave Germany. As if Roy was going to go to Germany and fight him. If you're fighting in the U.K., and the best fighter in the World is American, fighting in America, and you don't go over, how do you expect to get a fight with him?

Again, I'm not saying it's fair, but that's the way it is. The big Super middle fights were in Europe? There wasn't any big fights in Europe. The Super middle division was one of the weakest divisions in Boxing at the time. Nobody respected Sven Ottke, outside of Germany. They were no big fights.

Rick Frazier was a complete bum. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. But he got his chance because somehow he was made a mandotary by the IBF. Joe could have found himself as a mandotary, or one of the other belt holders had he fought someone like Reggie before Roy did.

A Eubank fight would have been huge over here, but not in the U.S. Of course it would have sold, but it wouldn't have been a megafight. The Dariusz fight would have sold because he had the other belt. Nobody knew a lot about Dariusz, but everyone knew he had the one remaining 175 belt, and Roy had the other three.

Regards, Loudon.

 

Hi mate,

You're right about Ali, he fought in many Countries, and he loved to travel and he loved being the centre of attention. I don't think Roy would have had to have fought anyone overseas. If the Benn fight would have come off, it would have been staged in The U.S. The same goes for Eubank. Nobody could have expected him to go to Germany to fight Dariusz.

I repect your opinion.

Regards, Loudon.

 

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Collins came to America, and tried to call out Roy Jones to his face. Roy clearly messed Collins around in negotiations and didn't want to fight him.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Erh4RKbHE[/ame]

[url]http://www.fightsaga.com/Features/item/1764-Interview-with-European-Legend-Chris-Eubank[/url]

Calzaghe



[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1jVrFZDxZS0[/url]


6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".


[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1qeXpJlLNzs[/url]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhSxpemf838[/ame]


Go to 26:50 and listen to Frank ****** and Calzaghe talking about Roy Jones

 

Hi mate,

To me the fight with Joe in 2008 is completely irrelevant. Joe cashed out, it's a simple as that. I don't understand why people keep reffering to the fight, unless it's part of a wind up?

If Roy is knocked out cold by Johnson in 2004 at 35, who then goes onto to have three life and death fights with Woods, what difference does it make what happens over 4 years later?

Tarver knocked him out in May 2004. Johnson Knocked him out in Sept 2004. In October 2005 Tarver beats him again on points. Then Three years later, 4 after he's been knocked cold, Joe beats him on points.

So what? He's beat a guy who's nearly 40 on points, four years after he's been knocked out twice!

The fight just looks bad on Joe. Especially after what he'd said in 2006. Then just a year after Joe beat him on points, Danny Green knocks him out in under 3 mins. How can Joe get any credit whatsoever for that win?

If Joe had've knocked him out in the first round, he wouldn't have got any credit. Why? Because it'd had been done four years earlier. Who gives Green any credit for that win? Who gives Lebedev any credit for his win? Nobody does.

Joe dominated him for 11 rounds, two years after saying the fight would be pointless. So what? What does it prove?

How long would Danny Williams have lasted with Mike in the 80's?

I don't understand why you keep referring to their fight all the time.

Everyone that knows anything about Boxing, knows that Roy was finished at that point.

Regards, Loudon.

 

I think a lot of conspiracies in this thread lol. Again, no one on here likes Hopkins, Jones, AND Calzaghe. No one. Am I the only guy on here with full respect to all three?

To answer OP, I think Calzaghe's eagerness would be settled by Jones counterpunching and either would suffer a late rds ko by Jones or UD. Lets not forget that Jones went to UD's with far less guys though many of them came for paychecks not Jones fault.

Again Zaghe would pressure which I think would be capitalized on. Jones is not blitzing Calzaghe early rds like most suggest. He'll counter punch and potshot to a UD maybe accidently getting a KO along the way.

BTW, Jones was still a top 10 lt hvy not because he was still so good but because the division is so weak. Aight win and more of a "cherry on top" kinda win. Has far better wins at the time he fought guys such as with Bika, Kessler, Eubank, and Lacy. Props for him moving up though I thought Hops won. Y'all are making Calz grow on me lol

 

you litterally ducked all my questions like a little sissy

your just a cowardly little roy jones fanboy with your blinkered views and delusional opinions :rofl


below is a little reality check of how your steroid riddled idol faired when a shot to **** joe calzaghe moved up weight, went to america and schooled him infront of a global audience of millions :hi:

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Loudon, whilst I respect your opinions, you continually ask why would Roy face Collins, Eubank, Benn etc. around these times and play down what they brought to the table.

Eubank, Collins, Benn and Mclellan were respected fighters and champions, who brought more money to the table, a bigger fanbase, and more importantly a real challenge. Have a look at who Roy was fighting around this time, Lucas, Tony 'The punching postman' Thornton, Sosa, Pazienza (blown up LW), Bannon. These guys brought less money, had no fanbases!, and brought no titles to the table, more importantly they brought far less of a challenge. A fight with Benn, Eubank or Collins could have been great fights.

Roy fought Clinton Woods in 2002, why couldn't he negotiate a fight with Calzaghe? If Joe was willing to come to America to face Bernard, I'm sure he would have been willing to face Roy Jones. Once again, Calzaghe was a world champion, and had a bigger fanbase, and would have brought more money to the table than Clinton Woods.

It's all good and well asking why was it worth fighting these guys, but when you're fighting far worse opposition for less money instead, then questions have to be asked.

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To your previous post

Their fight doesn't mean a great deal to me, it's just amusing how people seem to take a first round flash KD as an indicator that if they faced each other in their primes, that Roy would blast out Calzaghe in 1 or 2 rounds as if he was a bum.

 

are we talking about a clean rjj or a roided-up rjj?

 

they won't answer that one borsuk, the fanboys are that blinkered that they believe roy had a superior jaw to marvin hagler :rofl

 

Knockout,

We've all seen these videos numerous times.

Collins had the balls to fight Roy. As I've said, I have a huge amount of respect for him for that. But in 1996/97 Steve Collins brings nothing to the table. Roy was at 175. He'd beat Mike, who had beaten Collins. He went onto Unify the division against Reggie, who also beat Collins. After Roy had beaten Toney, he had no real interest in the Super middle division, and he went up. Nobody was big enough to get him to come back down.

Eubank says "He never wanted to fight me when I was no longer Champion" Again, why would Roy want to fight Eubank in 96, when Chris didn't have a belt, and he was already in the process of moving up to 175.? Eubank brought nothing to the table in 96, just like Collins didn't. Eubank has also admitted in numerous interviews, that he was happy defending his belt on Sky, and he didn't really chase the big fights in America.He also said that a fight with Roy would have taken a few years off of his life.

Collins must have been taking LSD. THere's no way he could have beaten Roy, and he knew it.

“I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title. In 2002 Joe was irrelevant to Roy. Roy respected him and knew how good he was, but the average U.S. fan didn't, because they'd never seen him. At the time Roy had bigger fish to fry.

These quotes and interviews from Joe are just laughable.

He chased Roy for years. Ha! By doing what? Fighting Mario Veit twice and Byron Mitchell etc?

I don't know how anyone can seriously agree that Joe genuinely chased a fight.


Frank making an enquiry on his behalf is not chasing a fight. It's ridiculous!

Regards, Loudon.

 

I love how people missed the word "objectively"

 

Hi mate, I respect your opinions too, even though I don't agree with a lot of them.

All the fighters you mention were great fighters in their own right. Benn would have been a great fight, and I'm not going to go over old ground, but King was the stumbling block there, wanting a three fight option on Roy. Eubank without a belt brought nothing to the table. I'm sure that Roy would have fought Gerald somewhere down than line. I honestly believe that. Collins lost to two fighters who Roy beat and was in a different weight class, so it's not enough to get Roy in the ring.

Once Roy had made the decision to move up, he was never going to come back down. Regarding Thornton etc, I agree, but some were in Mandotaries. To my knowledge Roy tried to pull out of a fight with Clinton, but the IBF threatened to strip him if he did. But again Clinton was his mandotary. After the Woods fight, Joe was an option, until Murad Muhammad said they'd had successful negotiations with Ruiz's camp. As soon as Roy heard this, he didn't give Joe a seconds thought.

Roy made History and $17 million for the Ruiz fight according to Murad. When Joe couldn't get the Hopkins fight in 2002, he should have just gone over anyway and fought someone else to get recognition. He was willing to go over in 2002, but didn't end up going til 2008. That's 6 years! That's ridiculous. Because he wouldn't go, Frank made him fight Manfredo in 2006 to gain exposure, which in my opinion was an insult to Joe. A guy as great as Joe, fighting someone who came 3rd on The Contender. It was cringeworthy. But it needed to be done, because Joe was coming towards the end of his career.

Regards, Loudon.

 

roy jones in his prime vs a windmill enthusiast?????

i really do think that calzaghe would be very lucky to win 2 rounds vs a prime roy jones.

Roy Jones remember was being compared to ali and robinson , many thought that he might actually be the best ever

Jones Easy