Floyd's 40 million offer doesn't seem so bad now.

Lets see if he can fill cowboy stadium fighting a guy like Clottey, now I know PPV numbers are important but so are ticket sales, and Manny brings that to the table Manny brings additional PPV numbers Floyd will never see with out a Pacquiao fight, and likely brings in the highest price ever for a PPV purchase in SD and HD.

in other words its not just what Floyd brings, its what Manny brings as well. you guys act like Manny cant draw ****

 

Totaling up all of their numbers for all PPV does not show the truth.

The numbers are as follows: Mayweather De La Hoya 2,400,000 Mayweather-Hatton920,000 Mayweather Marquez 1,005,000 Mayweather Mosley 1,500,000 Mayweather Ortiz 1,200,000 Mayweather Cotto 1,500,000 for a total of 8,525,000 PPV buys...The average is 1,705,000;

With Pacquiao you have: Pacquiao De La Hoya 1,250,000 Pacquiao Hatton 850,000 Pacquiao Cotto 1,250,000 Pacquiao Clottey 700,000 Pacquiao Margarito 1,150,000 Pacquiao Mosley 1,200,000, Pacquiao Marquez 3 1,450,000 for a total of 7,850,000 PPV buys. The average is about 1,113,000. Now let's look at the common opponents. the numbers for all common opponents are listed above and the common opponents amongst them are De La Hoya, Hatton, Marquez, Cotto, and Mosley. Mayweather has 7,325,000 PPV buys among common opponents and averages 1,465,000. Pacquiao has 6,100,000 buys among common opponents nad averages 1,220,000. You have one guy averaging 1,705,000 and another guy averaging 1,113,000, whic is a difference of 592,000 PPV buys or more than half of Pacquiao's average. If you go off the common opponents, Floyd averages 245,000 more buys which is approx. 17% higher than Pacquiao.

If you look at revenue then Floyd also holds a very big edge with this as well. I don't have the Pacquiao revenue numbers, but the top 4 highest net revenue fights all include Floyd. You have De La Hoya Mayweather at approx $135,000,000, Cotto Mayweather at $94,000,000, Ortiz Mayweather at $78,400,000, and Mosley Mayweather at $78,000,000. The only numbers I have for Pacquiao's revenue is $70,100,000 for the Pacquiao De La Hoya fight. Some fans say, "well it's the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight that jacks up Floyd's numbers." Well that is fine but that is not relevant. The numbers are what they are and there is no way to change them.

Some will say "well Floyd fights once per year and that's why he does those high numbers." To those people, I'll point out that since the De La Hoya fight, Floyd fought Oscar and Hatton in a 7 month period, Marquez and Mosley in a 8 month period, and Ortiz and Cotto within an 8 month period. Mayweather and De La hoya also split $79,000,000 with 2,400,000 PPV buys, with Oscar making $52,800,000 and Floyd taking $26,200,000 to my understanding. So it's safe to assume that Mayweather and Pacquiao will split $105,000,000 at 3,000,000 PPV buys. Pacquiao has a career high payday of $25,000,000 to include profits off of PPV revenue (I am not including the Bradley fight as we just don't know here), while Floyd will end with about $50,000,000 for Cotto ($32,000,000 guarantee and $18,000,000 off PPV revenue).

So if they split $105,000,000, and Pacquiao took his career high of $40,000,000, he would end up with $15,000,000 more than anything he ever made. Floyd would end up with $15,000,000 more than anything he ever made and the deal is a fair one.

If you go with 50/50 then Floyd makes $2,500,000 more than he made for Cotto, while Manny would double his high payday of $25,000,000 and take home $52,500,000-not a good deal for both parties. How they pay that out from there is on the fighters.

If they did a 45/45-10 to the winner (which will never happen in boxing-see Pacquiao-Marquez or Williams-Lara as to why it won't) then Floyd takes a slight paycut if he loses at $47,500,000 and only makes about $57,000,000 if he wins ($7,000,000 above his highest total at $50,000,000. Manny on the other side, would be guarantee'd approx $20,000,000 more his highest payday if he lost, and $32,000,000 his highest payday if he won. I just don't see how this deal is fair...one guy stands to make a little bit more than his high payday when the PPV numbers, revenue made, and past net take home, has him dominating the Pacquiao. Note-I know my numbers are slightly off for the money and percentage splits but I hold no bias with those numbers.

Let's also not reach for anything with the PPV amount...De La Hoya Mayweather was raised $5 for the HD and $5 for the non HD. So we can assume that a Pacquiao Mayweather fight would have a PPV price tag of $70 for HD and $60 for non HD.

 

TS Arum takes 27.5%..lets be fair:good

 

I am saying the fightes will split $105,000,000 now, so that the *******s don't get all butthurt.

Oscar and Floyd split $79,000,000 at 2,400,000 PPV buys. Assuming the fight will do 3,000,000 PPV buys and they'll split $105,000,000. Also, they will have a projection for the investors etc... and I feel the numbers I used are pretty accurate in estimating the projections.

 

Too bad a majority of Pac's cannot be verified:hey

 

This fight breaks all records, Pacquiao would be stupid to take a fixed amount and not a percentage of the whole revenue.

 

It was a very generous offer. It doubles Pac's highest payday. What more could he want?

 

You actually make a fair point. You do...Let's use your $100,000,000 projection.

Let's AGREE FOR THE SAKE OF THE ARGUMENT, that Manny has done $30,000,000 before (even though documentation does not show this) as a career high, and Floyd ends up with $50,000,000 from Cotto ($32,000,000 plus $18,000,000 off the revenue-he took home $15,000,000 at minimum with Ortiz at 1,250,000 buys and a $25,000,000 guarantee)...Floyd would end up making $10,000,000 more than his highest payday of $50,000,000 while Manny would also end up with $10,000,000 more his highest payday of $30,000,000.

It is not hard to see why the $40,000,000 was a legit offer.

 

it's just unbelievable for people to even suggest that the 40mil with no upside revenue is fair....or even close to fair.

 

No because that would be something entirely different.:good

I don't have any past numbers to go off of for an average Joe with 0 fights.:thumbsup

With Clottey Pacquiao or Mayweather Ortiz, you can see what these guys do with someone who has never headlined a PPV VS themselves.