Floyd's 40 million offer doesn't seem so bad now.

Post-DLH

Floyd Mayweather
Mayweather vs Hatton - 950k PPV
Mayweather vs Marquez - 1.05 million PPV
Mayweather vs Mosley - 1.4 million PPV
Mayweather vs Ortiz - 1.25 million PPV
Mayweather vs Cotto - 1.5 million PPV

Total: 6.15 million PPV buys

Manny Pacquiao
Pacquiao vs Hatton - 850k PPV
Pacquiao vs Cotto - 1.25 million PPV
Pacquiao vs Clottey - 700k PPV
Pacquiao vs Margarito - 1.15 million PPV
Pacquiao vs Mosley - 1.3 million PPV
Pacquiao vs Marquez - 1.45 million PPV

Total: 6.75 million PPV buys

And naturally, once Pacquiao fights Bradley, that total edge goes up, though I suspect the Bradley fight will probably do only slightly better than Clottey level numbers. Again, per fight Floyd is the slightly bigger draw, but Pacquiao fights more often and the per fight difference since DLH isn't large enough for Floyd to definitively merit the larger share, much less his 40 million with no PPV share offer.

 

More buys without Oscar, yes...but he averages less.

Also, you can't just throw Oscar out of the equation. You keep him in there..you really think Schafaer is not going to use the Oscar fight for both men?

You deliberately did not use Oscar because that fight makes it very very one sided for Floyd..

If you include all fights, you will have Floyd killing Manny in PPV sales...1,705,000 average to Manny at 1,113,000 as an average.

Why don't we say **** it and use the 5 common opponents?:think You probably won't do that either cuz it will expose Manny as well.:think

 

You do realize that they have to spend money to promote a fight, each time a fighter fights.

Floyd has exceeded Pac has done in 7 fights, in just 6 fights.:deal

 

That guy also forgot to include the revenue figures. Revenue figures are more important than the PPV buys. If my fight does 1.5M buys and generates $100M in revenue, while your fight does 1.5M buys and generates 70M in revenue, were our fights equally successfull? Not only is Mayweather generating more buys, he's doing so while charging a higher price.

 

Very true.

I tie them all in on page 1. I even up the projected $100,000,000 split and make it $105,000,000. They still insist on protecting Pacquiao's stance for whatever reason.

I wonder if pugi nani, bazooka, or dodong think that it isn't fair to do something productive towards making the fight, like having a 3rd party accounting firm look at all the numbers?:think

Any *******s care to post on that now?

 

There's no exposing anything. Oscar is the outlier for both fighters that propelled them to true superstar level fighters. What they've done since then is the fairest indication of what they actually draw, especially as they have common opponents as you say. What that reflects is that Floyd is slightly better per fight than Pacquiao, but since Pacquiao fights more, I'd say that advantage in revenue is negated. You can make a case for Floyd getting more based on his average, but you can also make a case for Pacquiao getting more based on volume. I would be fine with Floyd getting more money but the most extra he could get is 55/45 with PPV upside options for both fighters. 50/50 would be the fairest deal for both fighters though. And the bottom line is that 40 million with no PPV upside is a straight price out move as things stand now.

 

When you compare the fights with the same fighter Floyd is up 500k ppvs. When you add Oscar back in that number goes to 1.39 Million more purchases. That's 1.39 Million in the same number of fights, with the same exact opponents.

 

Go look at what each fighter brings home and the revenue produced..then...Pacquiao has never even take home more than $25,000,00 while Floyd is doing $50,000,000 with Cotto.

W/out any bias we'll do common opponents.

Mayweather De La Hoya 2,400,000
Mayweather Hatton 920,000
Mayweather Marquez 1,005,000
Mayweather Mosley 1,500,000
Mayweather Cotto 1,500,000

7,325,000 PPV buys.

1,465,000 average PPV buys.

Pacquiao De La Hoya 1,250,000
Pacquiao Hatton 850,000
Pacquiao Marquez 1,450,000
Pacquiao Mosley 1,300,000
Pacquiao Cotto 1,250,000

6,100,000 PPV buys.

1,220,000 average PPV buys.

Floyd has more buys in common opponents. Common opponents is good because it doesn't show anything bias. Me or you aren't just picking a fight and saying, we will use this fight. Also, in reality, Richard/Oscar,Al are going to use the PPV's with Oscar as well.

To add-your not looking at the revenue produced. 3 of the common opponents has Floyd doing record breaking numbers.

 

By that way that's 15.4% more sales over the five fights.

 

No one could argue Manny is one of the most known/popular athletes in the world. The truth is Floyd brings people with deep pockets as well. His PPV numbers with common names as Manny has always been better. His numbers keep on growing as well. Sometimes selling the most tickets doesnt mean you are going to get a huge live gate. You could fill an arena with 50,000, but it doesnt mean its more of a success if you fill a arena of 14,000 people in Las Vegas. The Clottey fight was a perfect time. Arum did a great job pushing this fight and promoting/marketing Clottey especially after his performance against Cotto. This fight was made right after.

 

And I imagine the overall revenue Pacquiao has produced is still higher since Oscar with his higher volume, and if it is not now, it certainly will be after the Bradley fight. I repeat, Oscar is an outlier, especially for Floyd since he fought Oscar when his stock was still decent and Oscar was the biggest name in the sport by a huge margin. Floyd hasn't done close to as well before or since Oscar, which is telling. His actual drawing power can only be measured fairly since that fight, in which case again, he's slightly better than Pacquiao on a per fight basis. But not enough to compensate for Pacquiao's greater volume in my opinion.

And yes, Floyd, Oscar, and co have and will continue to base their case on that fight giving Floyd the edge from their perspective, while the Pacquiao camp's arguments are similar to mine. And that bottom line edge(outlier that it is) still might be enough to get Floyd the greater share if the Pacquiao fight ever gets made. But if it does, it will be something like 55/45 with PPV options. The fight will flat not happen with this 40 million dollar offer. It is a price-out move, one Floyd says he's not budging from.

 

Two things;

First, you need to produce the official numbers for the Pacquiao fights post DLH.

Second, why exclude the DLH fight? I see no logical reason why that fight should not get counted with the rest.

 

:deal

 

mainstream popular opinion is not on floyd's side...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...acquiao-latest/index.html?eref=si_mostpopular

 

He doesn't get that the De La Hoya fight is included...It is included because both men fought him. The poster is completely bias towards Manny.

Also

Mayweather De La Hoya $135,700,800
Mayweather Cotto $94,000,000
Mayweather Mosley $78,000,000
Mayweather Marquez $53,500,000
Mayweather Hatton $49,000,000

For Pac I only have the De La Hoya revenue

Pacquiao De La Hoya $70,500,000