Haye and Chisora each fought the wrong Klitschko

Styles make fights. Haye's a counter puncher who fights on the backfoot. Wlad will come forward, use his jab, and maybe throw a right hand every here and there. Haye will stay on the outside, and try to counter one of these jabs, but Wlad has a huge reach advantage, so Haye's punches likely won't land, as we saw. Because Haye's output is so low, and Wlad's doesn't open up, doesn't take risks, and as neither are willing to exchange, what we saw is what we'd get 9/10 times. Essentially, it boils down to this, Wlad will beat Haye because he's taller, outweighs Haye by 25+ pounds and has the significant height and reach advantages,

As Lamont Brewster said, the way to beat Wlad is to back him up. He's almost impossible to beat on the backfoot (unless you're Muhammed Ali, or Larry Holmes).

well you clearly didn't watch the fight, who gives a **** where you stopped reading.

 

Perfect, I think Thompson would give Vitali alot more trouble than Wlad, prime Lamont Brewster would give Vitali some problems too, Povetkin - Vitali and Wlad - Valuev, John Ruiz might give them both some problems, Tyson Fury although not a good fighter, would give Vitali hell.

 

While Wlad proved himself to be a superior boxer to Haye, the whole idea that Del Boy would give Wlad more trouble seems strange to me. It is probably true that Wlad struggles more with pressure fighters, but it requires pressure fighters that are Very Good Boxers. Chisora aint, and would fall prey for Wlads better skillset. A simplyfied argument is that even onearmed grandpa Vitali was able to keep Chisora at bay. T.S. angle dont hold up.

 

The myth of the Solis vs Vitali fight is bizarre to say the least. First of I'm supposed to ignore the Solis knock down and following KO, now that that's done that leaves the other 2 mins of the fight where Vitali is slightly edging a close round about 60/40 in his favour and this is supposed to be some sort of proof to knock Vitali as a fighter, very strange, very strange indeed.

The ironic thing about that round (minus the Solis knock down and KO of course) is that it went more or less the exact same as the first round between Adamek and Vitali.

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It's styles mate. Haye will be on the backfoot, looking for counter punching opportunities he'll hardly get, which makes for a boring fight, with very little action, which Wlad takes advantage of using decent jab and his height and reach advantage.

Chisora weighs the same as Wlad, so he'll be able to push Wlad back. Chisora's gameplan is to make Wlad back up, which is how Lamont Brewster said you beat him. Chisora actually fights like a small man, he comes forward in a crouch, using a cross arm defence that's designed to take away jabs and right hands, which are the main punches Wlad throws. He also goes to the body, attacks the arms and then tries to go for the head. So, not thinking about how good Chisora is, his actual game plan makes the fight interesting, and if he executes it well, it's a tough night for Wlad.

Many guys who fight Wlad, panic (like Haye did) and just start looking to headhunt and try and land a lucky punch in the hope of a KO, and it just doesn't happen, Wlad is very polished, he's excellent at what he does.

That's why I think Chisora

 

i always thought haye should have fought vitali 1st. haye is just a cocky and greedy sob

 

Have you watched these fights? Solis was actually winning the round, until his knee blew out. Solis is not Adamek. Adamek tasted the power of Vitali's jab, staggered against the ropes, and went into survival mode. Solis actually connected some solid punches on Vitali, like at 3:30. Look at how low Vitali carries his hands, and tell me Haye couldn't get some joy countering his jab?

 

I still don't buy that. A close round yes but I still have Vitali ahead, he's landing much more despite them only being jabs.

Not in the first round though, he was competitive and was somewhat successful while darting in and out trying to counter. Got destroyed every round after that though as Vitali went through the gears and Adamek struggled to adapt.

He could do, but I still wouldn't say Haye's as sharp a puncher as Solis or would be prepared to be in Vitali's face like Solis does. I suspect Haye would do similar to what he did against Valuev and Wladimir and stay on the back foot with a low punch output and try nick rounds. I can see him having some success with that tactic and at best lose the fight by 2 rounds but it won't be enough to beat Vitali and his 70 odd punches a round where he's going to be taking all the close rounds with his aggression and work rate.

The best bet to beat Vitali imo is to follow the blueprint that Tyson used against old Holmes and really get in his face and take the fight to him and push him hard and let him show his age.

 

I agree. I dont know for sure, but like I posted... i went with the words from haye himself.... saying that it wasnt an issue... PLUS Booth himself told us (team Wlad) the toe wasnt a problem... booth mentioned to many of us in the ring that "it was a right hand in the 6th that caused Haye to be even more cautious"..."the fight was basically over at that point"...:deal

 

lets not forget guys.........
remember......Wlad was set to fight Chisora
remember... Haye had the contract to fight Vitali and then was a no-show-no-call for 5 days then signed to fight Valuev.....

you guys make it sound like Vitali didnt want haye and Wlad didnt want chisora

that simply is not the facts

 

this is all a watse of time... if haye wins and Vitali is still active... im sure that will happen.... if Chisora wins...im sure Wlad chisora will happen at some time..... so stop bitching

 

I hope so, those are interesting fights that the fans want to see!

 

if chisora loses... that would be 4 in a row... not sure if he gets a shot at the title..... he wins... ok..I see it

if haye loses.... DONE!

its a lot of downside for BOTH fighters (haye/Chisora) if they lose

 

Yeah I agree with that. I've got tickets for Haye-Chisora, can't wait, I think their styles will match up for an interesting fight. Personally I think Haye comes through to win the decision, to set up a fight with Vitali. Against Vitali, whilst I think Haye has the attributes to have some success, ultimately he's too cautious, and his output is too low to beat Vitali, who can comfortably throw 70 punches a round. Whilst Vitali isn't as quick as Wlad, he isn't Valuev! Who Haye could only win a MD over.