How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era?

Dammit, Vockerman...couldn't wait a lousy 6 minutes to post that after midnight, could you?

Reckon I've lost my 'Post of the Day' accolade...But I'm happy with 'runner up' to your magnum opus.

If you'd added a bit more detail about boxing's drastically shrinking talent pool and called to make championship fights 15 rounds again (which would also have the benefit of trimming down the overweight, lumbering heavies) I reckon you'd have covered just about all the things killing the modern game.

Thanks, mate...and to everyone else who acknowledged my post.

I do read the Classic a fair bit...as Vockerman says, there are a lot of incredibly knowledgeable people here.

But I'm not one of them, not in this specialised field. I can add the occasional observation (especially when it's off on a bit of a tangent, as was my last post). But I'm more of a casual reader than a dyed-in-the-wool Classic expert.

Still, the Classic is one of my favourite corners of the internet, (In contrast, I've hardly ever visited the general forum)

 

Wow. Great, great post by Vockerman.

 

Vockerman's post should be required reading for any young Boxing fan who believes that modern means better in Boxing. I agree with his post 100 percent.

 

I'd say these guy would be very competitive today. This fight was only 6 years after Greb's last fight. They are both greats but Greb has the better resume:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWoaiPe9v1A[/ame]

 

I can agree to some extent.

He enjoys the luxuries of fighting occasionally. Taking a long rest to recover. Picking out his next opponent. Designing his strategy for that opponent. Training under the right conditions with top shelf accomodations and with a good fight plan.. Then starting the whole process over again after he beats that opponent. I agree he wouldn't have these luxuries 100 years ago. But the man has talent. There's no question about it. And who the hell knows how he'd adapt to the climate of many decades ago? His career may have ended in the making, and then again, he may have found a way to adapt and blossomed into another Ray Robinson... We just don't know...

 

Harry Greb would rip Floyd Mayweather a new anus.

They are incomparable.

 

Vockerman, BRAVO...In the course of human evolution 100 years is like a minute in our lives...Some posters today are convinced boxing started out after the advent of television...I can attest that it DID NOT. In the two golkden ages of boxing, the 1920s and the 1940s, fighters to survive had to fight OFTEN,some bi-weekly, against thousands of boxers then are fighting today...There were 5 times the amount of boxers plying their trade
in the 1940s when my dad took me to the fights in New York. There was a pro card EVERY NIGHT of the week except Sunday in the NYC area. The obvious results were the fighters who reached the top were so much
more experienced, and seasoned than today, as they had to beat whoever
the public demanded, not like today's pampered pups...Of course there are good fighters today, but not one would be a champion with the likes of
the top 1940s fighters as Manuel Ortiz, Willie Pep, Ike Williams, Ray Robinson, Tony Zale , Ezzard Charles, Joe Louis, and Beau Jack, Kid Gavilan, Charley Burley, Lloyd Marshall, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson,
Joe Walcott, Sandy Saddler, etc, most who I saw ringside...So for some neophytes without knowledge to claim the "oldtimers" were primitive Neanderthals, compared with today , GET A LIFE !
P.S. To post a thread asking if Harry Greb would would be successful today ? Is so asinine, that i don't know how to respond except to say this lil ole one eyed 160 pound windmill beat the greatest array of HOF opponents, most who outweighed Greb by 10-30 pounds , such as Gene Tunney, Tommy Gibbons, Tommy Loughran, Jack Dillon, Battling Levinsky, Gunboat Smith, Billy Miske, Bill Brennan, Maxie Rosenbloom, Fat Willie Meehan, and the great MW Mickey Walker...What MW in history could or would attempt this feat and SURVIVE, let alone prevail ?
Thanks again V...

 

What a line-up. :deal

 

Well done Sir.

 

Great post, my sentiments exactly on don't taken in by the hype on what passes for a 'world' title fight these days. We are watching a diluted version now.

 

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Still little in it.

BUT nothing at all to do with the Mentality of a fighter, and this IS the predominent factor. And living demands make for tougher minds.

the improved few minutes of marathons would be equally associated with footwear & training techniques and the greater numbers of participants, now. Where as Boxing has reversed in ALL the above departments, Hard Mind, Trade Demand, & Numbers!

 

Burt, I'm a spring chicken next to you, and I envy all the greats you have seen live.
It pisses me off when some upstart will proudly boast, as if fact, that some alphabet paper champ of today would embarrass a fighter from the forties because said paper champ is more modern and thus somehow better.
I can only imagine how you must feel reading the same drivel.

Moderns do get a bad rap here sometimes (Though in fairness plenty also stick up for them) but I can't stand ignorance or an opinion without at least some basic solid argument behind it.

 

Anytime. :good

 

Luckily, not all of us feel that way. Today's fighters would honestly have reason to fear for their lives against the likes of Saddler, Williams and Robinson.