ESB ATGs Muay Thai / KickBoxing fighters Thread

Don’t think we’ve done him yet, but sure you guys are familiar with him or some of his fights. A true Thai ATG bad ass, Jomhod “King of the Ring” Kiatidisak. (You know how I like the southerners!).

Not a beautiful fighter but another great hangover form the golden age of the 90s. He’s fought pretty much everyone in his era holding both Lumpini and Rajdamnern Stadium belts at the same time,:scaredas: giving some of the biggest farang of his time whipping’s including Dekkers, Hippolyte (a personal fav farang fighter who won the rematch) and one of my first trainers a European Champ ,Timmy Izli. He really has been there and done it although maybe done it a bit too long unfortunately, until quite recently was still fighting big names a decade after he should have stopped (but still giving them a bit of a fight).

Great short interview where he says more about himself than I ever could about him plus some interesting things about some famous opponents:

http://www.muaythaionline.org/features/jomhodkiatadisakkingoftheringinterview.html


Check his Bio:

http://muaythaidesign.com/_fighters/jomhodkiatadisak.php


Here’s a Jomhod highlight clip (Someone needs to do a better one as all these fights are after his prime.):


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_jFwgeL0xE[/ame]


A young Jomhod winning the Rajdamnern 147ibs belt in the 90s (Starts off a bit dry bit turns into a good scrap):


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPtBUp78iDI[/ame]


Here he is Jomhod against Dekkers making things “Easy, Ramon was scared and running away a lot.” Bad quality tape but all I could find:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiHr74uKBpQ[/ame]


Here’s Jomhod unfortunately fighting about 6 years after he should have quit against another favourite of ours Buakaw:


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDz0xLtXh_c[/ame]


I realise these aren’t the greatest clips but he came out of an era where outside Thailand not many tapes survive. If anyone can find the find the two Jomhod v Hippolyte fights, I’d love to see them again.

 

Great post BoranBKK.

I really need to watch more Jomhod fights, he clearly is a great thai boxer who was very accomplished internationally as well.

 

Yeah, he's worth checking out. As I said before not beautiful, but always seemed to have a good sense of distance and timing, good knees to when he fancied it and wasn't afraid to try crazy knees or elbows from distnce.

The trouble is there dosen't seem to be a much footage out therethese days and what is out ther is kinda after his prime against mostly foreign fighters.

Both of you guys seem pretty good at digging out obscure fights, well if you find the Jomhod v Hippolyte fights, they are worth it.:good

 

Great post, have only seen the fight with Buakaw, will check out the rest :good

Boran, your rundown on checking leg kicks? A nice long essay please

 

This is a quickie, only cos it’s you mate.

Obviously it differs depending on where the kick is aimed, so I’ll try to break it down into the most common ways that a Thai may block or check a round kick. Bear in mind real MT is a tough come forward style that works best when a fighter presses his opposition, hence tries to stay in range most of the time and is pretty flat footed to keep power compared to kickboxing where the guys are on their toes bouncing in and out of range a lot more like boxers. This effects the difference in style of blocking greatly.

The most basic blocks are actually very simple, and aren’t really blocks but require you to be comfortable underfire so you stay in range. For example the simplest way to avoid a low kick to your lead leg is to simply keep you back foot where it is and either raise your lead leg so the kick passes under it or pull your lead leg back and then possibly counter with it. This takes time to get right but is very simple and effective and keeps you in range to keep pressing.

Obviously, the classic MT “shin” block (actually the muscle over the shin) is the main option for novices and greatly used by all levels, but this is more on instinct as opposed to anticipation. One of the biggest bad habits western Thai boxers pick up when they start learning the MT shin block is to make the shin rigid, flexed and taught when blocking, with most of the emphasis put on aesthetic “good form “ without much thought as to what the purpose of the block is, i.e. to minimise damage, looks great but hurts like hell! This flexed rigidness is an absolute no no as you’re not diffusing the power of shot you are taking it full on and absorbing it. Just think about it, what happens if you meet rigid force with rigid force, something’s gonna break right?! Not many MT fights would progress past the 1st round! Why do you rarely see Thais sparring with shin pads like in the west? You simple need to just raise the knee and let the calf and shin part of the leg form the knee down go limp, that’s it, stay relaxed! Ok if you are blocking on the same side as the kick is coming from you can turn the leg out a bit to meet it to eat some power and stop getting kicked of balance but nothing more. This was one of the most important things I learnt when I first arrived in Thailand, to lose all that rigid **** that had been thrust into me in the west! Maybe things have changed, but my hunch is probably not too much.

Another useful defence against lead leg low kicks is to keep putting a small teep or front kick onto the guys lead leg thigh or pelvis every now and again especially if you know the guy likes to kick. This stops him from getting set to kick and is good anticipation for checking a kick before it really comes if you get the timing right, Sam A demonstrated this very effectively in Rd 2(I think) of his fight in Lumpinee against Penek a few weeks ago, he was very wary of Penek’s leg power.

With the kicks against the mid-section the classic MT “shin block” is obvious along with grabbing the leg, pulling it up and then countering , knees, kick, punch whatever works for you. Another option is to try to anticipate the kick and then step in with a knee or elbow, this also works with a well-timed low kick, but these last three are easier said than done as good timing and composure are needed to pull them off underfire. One massively important thing about defending against kicks to the mid-section is not to defend them with your forearms unless you have no choice. This was a mistake I made in my first fight in BKK. I underestimated the power in a Thai kick from a Thai. I got tired form the 3rd on, wasn’t used to the heat. The guy kept going for my mid to high torso, some I took on the shins but most landed on my arms, he realised they were taking a toll, so kept pounding me and low and behold I was stopped TKO 4th rd. I thought he’d busted my arm, but in reality they just weren’t conditioned enough, my left arm ceased to operate in the fight. In Europe I hadn’t been taught to keep my feet planted and lean my torso back. Moral of the story if you can, plant your feet and lean back or just simply step back, don’t take the kicks on your arms!

When a high kick is thrown the “textbook” Thai fighter would keep his feet planted lean back out of range and then depending on situation counter, probably with a kick to the mid-section. You tend to go with what you’re good at, a tall knee specialist may counter with a knee, I used to counter with either a right hand or a mid-kick or both depending on range and timing. Obviously, if you can’t do that and have the flexibility the good old shin block while moving a little into your opponent is good, but most importantly keep you gloves up as the last line of defence!!!

Sorry not one of my best, I’m a bit rushed have some where to be, but if anything’s not clear or you’ve got any questions I’ll be back on line late tonight.

 

Ace! A few things to take into consideration straight away. Want to take everything into consideration and not just the uber basic stuff the whole gym is learning, nahmsayin'? ;-)

 

The best right now is Giorgio Petrosian.

The guy is like a surgeon in there the way he picks you apart.

 

Maybe at his weight in international kickboxing, but not under full Muay Thai rules. To me kickboxing is valid but just watered down Muay Thai, but I'm a MT snob. :bart

I still think Giorgio was lucky in Max 2009, Buakaw was clearly robbed. :-(

A few pages back we spoke about him a bit, but I'm guessing you don't watch too much Muay Thai from Thailand right?

 

Glad to help. How's the training going anyway?

 

P4P the best kickboxer in the world. he has fought most of the best in his weightclass and usually outclassed them.

Souwer 2x
Kyshenko
Kraus 2x
zambidis
Sato
Ngimbi
Pinca
Chahbari
Askerov
Stevelmans
Mabel

he also beat khem, Sudsakorn, Cosmo, Naruepol under kickboxing rules.

I dont know it its a repost but here is a good hl vid by Stillwill

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVHUMJiaN-k[/ame]

 

That's great highlight. Is that the Stillwill that posts on ESB?

It's a good list of names and sure Kickboxing wise he's the man, but as we mentioned before there are a real noticable lack of solid Thai names on that list. His only loss coming to a Thai under full Thai rules in Thailand.

He seems to struggle with them and doesn't like fighting in Thailand as you pointed out before Yaca. Looking at his record most of the Thais he has beaten are in his back yard in Italy and look to be naturally smaller guys most of them.

Don't get me wrong a great fighter sure and fair enough if he considers himself a Kickboxer he doesn't need to fight in Thailand.

Still think Buakaw was robbed though.lol:

Why did he never fight JWP? That would have been a great fight JWP may have given him some trouble with his very Thai style.

 

the very same. Too bad he doesn't post more here, very knowledgeable especially when it comes to kickboxing. And makes some of the best HL videos I have ever seen.
Go to: http://stillw1ll.wordpress.com/ to see more.

I agree Buakaw should have won against Petrosyan, but it was a close fight. I imagine if their 2007 match took place in Italy instead of Sweden it would have been a unanimous decision for Petrosayn. A lesson Gevorg learned and never fights a thai outside of Italy again (my only criticism of Petro)

I Dont know why Petrosyan never faced JWP I know Parr fights at a higher weightclass of 72 kg but of course used to fight at 70 kg where Petrosyan fights at. This would be a entertaining fight no doubt but Parr plans to retire after his fight against Jordan Tai june 23.

http://liverkick.com/index.php?opti...retire-after-june-23-fight&catid=48:muay-thai

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qisjQK92cI[/ame]

What's people opinion on how Yodsanklai Fartex rates as a fighter?

I only know him from contender series, but I remember him being good. But I know nothing about Mauy thai.

 

Petrosyan in a great kickboxer, but yes, not on the leve of the Thai greats. Essentially watered down IMO.