And Now Al Bernstein's Top 10 P4P List...

Where are the Asians? Where the **** is Fighting Harada, who shits all over Gonez and Zarate.

I'm surprised you could see to type this with your tongue and faced now fused to the widow.

 

6 of the 10 were American fighters. Not sure what your point is.
Gavilan was a great fighter...with no power so couldn't make this list. He just wasn't as complete as the others. Napoles deserves maybe to be on the list...but there is only so much room, and then too, Jose lost 5 fights while in his prime. You want to move Robinson to number one? No arguments from me. Any of these fighters given equal wieght, could probably defeat any of the others on this list on a given day.
That's the great thing about lists. No one will ever come up with a list that anyone else agrees with 100%.

 

You don't have a ****ing clue.

 

Would that be the Harada I listed as one of the greatest fighters Americans don't know about?
What the **** is your problem shithead? Take a ****ing pill and crawl out of your mama's basement...then you might learn a little civility.

 

The point was that Zarate and Gomez were - for the first time I've honestly ever seen - placed on a Top 10 ATG list. It felt like they were put their for the sole purpose of mixing in different nationalities because I don't think their resumes stack up like that. Saldivar and Ortiz were examples of who could substitute if that's the idea of it. It's really nothing to do with origin and everything with accomplishment. I actually like both fighters: Zarate has a shout as a top three bantamweight while Gomez is clearly the best 122lber. Both of them could easily be justified making a top ten punchers list which is entirely different. So would Julian Jackson. Duran is almost universally placed in the top ten and it has zero to do with him being from Panama.

Power isn't a prerequisite for greatness as the likes of Pep, Ross, Whitaker to name a few can attest. I wouldn't have you change anything about Robinson's placing, I'm just curious as to how Zarate could be placed anywhere around him, much less in front.

It's your list, bro. It's all subjective in the end, it's just that I saw a lot of firsts.

 

All Great fighters but this is obviously not right.....especially Zarate at #3, totally nonsense....
If you wanna rank non-american fighters at least put Langford and Fitz as well....

 

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What's FLea's problem with Lopez again? I am not saying he's top 10 obviously.

 

i think he finally realized he beats chang 8 times out of 10

 

Al should have slipped Lindell Holmes in there.Just for old times 80s broadcasting sake

 

Barney Ross has deservedly moved inside my top ten. At the end of the day, going 4-1 against Canzoneri and McLarnin (both top 20) is just too much to keep him out even if he's a little thin compared to the others in terms of quantity. Top wins against Battalino and Petrolle (x2) as well, never stopped in his career, did more with less, etc. He retired at the right time before any completely unnecessary losses could blemish his very clean record. :deal

 

Agreed. Power isn't a prerequisite, but Zarate and Gomez are there because they were the most dominant fighters of thier day at that weight, and their records, in terms of w/l, title defenses, and competion, show that they would have been just as dominant in any era. Niether of these two padded their records with club fighters, and it takes a special fighter to have that kind of record against other world champs and hof types.
I honestly believe that in 40 or 50 years when these two are in the "old timer" catagory, they will be included with many of the old timers we rate highly today.

 

He refused to do shots with you didnt he, that *******.

 

There are worse names to put on the list...

Like Carbajal, Gonzalez, Too Sharp Johnson, Pancho Villa, and maybe even Jimmy Wilde, depending on the criteria you use.

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*shrugs*...maybe I overrate Zarate a little because I was a great admirer, but I honestly don't remember a more dominant fighter.....or maybe, 30 years from now when Zarate is lauded as one of the all-time greats like many of the old timers who were forgotten for years are now, I can say...told you so...
or maybe I just like my list to look different...
At any rate, I never saw a weakness in the guy, and obviously, no one who faced him did either.