Is Khan's inability to counterpunch due to his chin, psychological or lack of ability

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  1. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I was wondering this during parts of the Peterson fight and against Maidana - for example, when his opponent throws a lazy jab, why doesn't Khan counter with the left hook ala Walcott or a pullback counter right ala Ali against Liston or Money May against Oscar? I know his nuthuggers will say that he can beat most fighters with speed blah blah yawn, but you need to have more than one string to your bow to adjust during a fight. Could learning some counterpunching techniques and some infighting do him wonders? Why hasn't Freddie taught him these techniques?Discuss
     
  2. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've felt that bad footwork and positioning with too much emphasis on attack plays a big part in the point you're making.
     
  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Mindset and early training. Some fighters also put it all together better. Maybe Khan will with experience. Khan has fast hands but he does not have great boxing instinct like say a Mike McCallum had. Mike's great skills was his boxing instinct to know when to turn it on and how to take over and what style to use. Khan has speed, but doesn't have much of a gameplan or patience. Like I said before, Khan reminds me of Jermaine Taylor. Fast hands but no gameplan. Since Bernard sat back and boxed, Jermaine didn't have to do anything but use his fast jab and land his right occassionally to keep Bernard cautious.
     
  4. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Valid point, why doesn't Freddie fix his flaws, Khan has learnt how to use his speed more effectively since moving to Freddie, he knows how to use the angles to move in and out (although no way near as good as Pacman does this) but at the top level you will come across fighters who will make adjustments and figure him out. If Freddie ain't up to it, why don't members of Khan's team drill it into his head that he needs to study the Walcott's etc of the old school style to pick up some points that they used to good effect and try to add these points to his arsenal. It's truly baffling!
     
  5. tottenham19

    tottenham19 ESB Masterbro Full Member

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    Lack of ability and the way he's fought for years.
     
  6. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agree to some extent, but I'm a believer in if you put enough wok in, you can change - look how Hopkins evolved from where he was at the start of his career. I think Khan needs to learn these things to some extent on his own during his off time in between fights by studying the old school fighters- instead of solely relying on Freddie to come up with a game plan everytime.
     
  7. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Khan seems happy in either defense or attack mode.

    When he's attacking he puts punches together quite well, but when he's defending he goes into a shell rather than trying to turn his oppenents attacks against them.

    Because this method has worked for him (and he believes he beat Peterson) he won't change.

    I don't believe it's lack of ability, I believe it's a case of him thinking if it isn't broke don't fix it. Unfortunately for him it means he will never be considered great amongst boxing purists but fighters can change.
     
  8. Uncle Rico

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    I agree with this. Also, he's never really been taught to counterpunch. Or if he has, he's just not very good at it. He fights in one mode throughout - attack the other person before he attacks me, and move out of the way. He's never really had the sense of setting people up and making them walk on to anything. That could partly be due to his chin. He's probably not as confident at inviting danger as most counterpunchers are.
     
  9. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Agreed, but he needs to ditch Roach as I feel Roach has taught him the the in out angles style ala Pacman but not alot else other then to go into a shell when in defense mode - he should get Bhop to train him, that cat will teach him the tricks of the trade, not all legal!
     
  10. Uncle Rico

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    Good fighters (or in Hopkins' case - great fighters) don't necessarily make good trainers.
     
  11. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Valid point. Needs to learn to add the following things to his game in my opinion: counterpunching, rolling with punches, infighting and overhand rights. Agree?
     
  12. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Khan is an aggressive fighter at heart. (This was clear even during his days in the Olympics.) People need to understand that Roach actually served to make Khan into more of a 'boxer' type, which was a smart move -- he got Khan to use his jab more, to move consistently, and to attack in quick bursts before backing away again in a shell. In the pre-Roach days, Khan was more aggressive, with an even leakier defence and more of a 'overwhelm the opponent with punches rather than box them' mindset.

    Counterpunchers usually tend to be defensively minded guys. That's not Khan's mindset in the ring -- even though Roach has shaped him into more of a boxer, Khan is still more focused on attacking.
     
  13. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not saying that Khan should become a counter puncher, I just feel that he needs to learn certain counterpunching skills as he may have points in a fight when they could serve him well, instead of going into a shell. no?
     
  14. Uncle Rico

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    To be fair, he has made significant improvements since joining the Wild Card. Just compare a pre-Roach version - the one that was getting decked by Gomez and Prescott - to the one now that was only derailed under controversial circumstances in the home town of a cheater. There's a huge gulf of difference. Sure, he still has his flaws, but we musn't forget how much he's developed in a short space of time, too.

    But with that said, you are right, he must work on the things you've mentioned. In the Peterson fight, I was disappointed to see him repeat the same mistakes/habits he was making a year ago against Maidana - a fight which you expect someone like him (with the trainer he has) to have learned from.
     
  15. chilli&lemon

    chilli&lemon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I totally agree.:thumbsup