Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

I'll post a quote from Calzaghe himself :

"I could probably give Jones a tough fight, probably the best fight he's ever had," said Calzaghe. "But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown jewels I wouldn't want to risk it."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/sport/i-am-the-best-says-honest-joe-6352495.html

 

Saying he wants to be well paid for a fight, so what. Jones wanted 10 mil ie the crown jewels, but you are just looking at something in a book which also reads

" I was one of his biggest fans but you have to question why his performance levels completely dipped from the moment it transpired a few years ago that he had failed a drugs test in a fight in Indiana against another american, Richard Hall. All of a sudden, he fell from the premiership to league 2, from being absolutely peerless, to distinctly average "


" If I had of fought Jones at his peak and got beaten, I would feel swindled today, knowing that he had taken steroids. Its cheating, theres no other word for it, and I don't know how it managed to be swept under the carpet for a number of years and he went totally unpunished "


" If steroids can make athletes run faster, they can surely help a boxer to hit harder and to hit faster and to hit quicker and to hit for longer and this will help him to inflict more punishment, which I think is repulsive"

Still if you look at that comment of Calzaghes look at the videos and comments of Jones

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6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".
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*THIS VIDEO IS ON YOUTUBE: 'Roy Jones jr looks ahead to Calzaghe'*

Steve Bunce: When did Joe first pop up in a conversation?

Roy Jones: When he beat Chris Eubank I started watching him then.

Steve Bunce: 1997

Roy Jones: I knew it then...but he then kinda backed down on the opponents he was fighting so I RELEASED THE IDEA OF IT [fighting Joe].

So Jones admits he was aware of Joe early on, but wasn't interested in fighting him.


BBC, 21st November 2001.
"It's all very well being the best in the world, but you need big names for big fights," he reflects.

A fight with the Eric Lucas, the WBC champion, is a possibility, but unification fights are notoriously hard and expensive to arrange.

As is a bout with Roy Jones.

"To be honest I'm getting quite fed up with it," Calzaghe said.

A bout against the undisputed light heavyweight champion has been the subject of ongoing speculation.

"It's difficult because of the different networks involved. He's with HBO and I'm with Showtime - that's a massive obstacle in itself.

"Secondly, you've got to ask yourself whether Roy Jones would want to fight me.
"At the moment he picks his own opponents, fights the easiest guys he can and gets a lot of money for beating them.

"I'm dangerous and I can take the mega money out of his pocket. Why would he want to fight me?


Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any argument you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....


roy jones the man who fought Richard Frazier the part time cop and then bragged about his greatness afterward....

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Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

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," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

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”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

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LOL. thats failey for you. He also thought Dzin would beat Martinez. LOL too funny.

 

Even funnier is how you boys hang on my every word, comments from however long ago. Signs of being completely butthurt

 

All these other quotes do not erase the one I posted in which he clearly sounds like he doesn't think he would have beaten Roy. "I could give him a tought fight but I know my capabilities" come on, you know he didn't sound too confident. He knew what would have happened.

 

You are looking at something written in a book where you havent seen video evidence of him saying that or the rest of the quote.
Here is actual video evidence saying otherwise


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Then look at Jones own comments

Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

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," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

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”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

And then look

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Bailey,

Hi mate! Great response, but let me reply to the rest of your older post before we debate your latest one. I'll reply Tom. Thanks!

 

No worries Loudon. You take care

 

after the first knockdown of their fight ; finished off, in that round.

 

Though I may disagree with knockout artist, Loudon, and bailey sometimes I do like that we all can cooperate giving our opinions and sources in a respectable manner. Do think ka and bailey may be biased towards Calzaghe but at least we can communicate like gents. All three as I stated are great fighters(Hopkins, Jones, Calzaghe) and made their great legacies without each other apart from Jones beat Hopkins and becoming a big name.

:good Props to bailey, loudon, and bailey for the debate even though I barely took apart in it lol. Its good to know there are still decent fellow on ESB

:hi: to SJS too lol

 

So you think because something happend in one fight the same thing would happen every time? Calzaghe was up and throwing punches and not having to hold.
Consider that A Mundine went the full 12 with big SMW punchers in Echoles, Kessler, Siaca and D Green but was KOd by Ottke.
You saw what happend when a shot Calzaghe fighting at a weight he had only had one fight at did to Jones when got up, if you look at it your way

 

Thankyou Techks.

 

Wrong thread, Flexie.

 

Threads about Roy Jones Jr. Vs. Calacrappy. Anyone that knows boxing knows Roy dominates him and possibly KOs him. At worst 10-2 jones UD. Jones was was too slick in his prime for anyone, let alone that overrated dude who made a name beating up washed up greats.

 

Bailey,

Hi mate! Great debate, with no came calling etc.

This is my reply to the last part of your older post.

Regarding Roy's fight with Joe in 2008, The point I was making was Joe said in 2006 that Roy was washed up. He was right, we know that. But what did he see in The Amaju, Hanshaw and Tito fights, to proclaim that Roy was back to his best? I bet he didn't even see the Ajamu and the Hanshaw fight. He can't be done, and then on the basis of fighting two nobodies and a former out of shape welterweight, suddenly be back to his best can he?

I've seen your quotes many times. But if you look at the quotes, they're all from people based in America, who hadn't seen too much of Joe. He'd had a great win over Lacy, a debatable one over Hopkins, and he was still relatively unknown. I also think sentiment played a part in most of their opinions. They wanted to believe that Roy still had something left. They were right in saying that Joe had never fought anybody as good as Roy. But it wasn't the 90's Roy who he was facing.

You've missed Sugar Shane's quote out too. He said "At this point Joe is going to be just too busy for him, but back in the day, I think Roy would have destroyed him!"

I also don't know how he could have been ranked number 6 by any Organisation. Anybody that knows anything about Boxing knows that the fight was just a final paycheque for Joe. Beating a 40 year old on points 4 years after he's been knocked twice at nearly 36 is pretty pointless. Danny Green knocked him out in 3 mins a year after Joe beat him on points, so Joe is never going to get credit, especially after the comments he'd made in 2006 too.

Have you just compared a 30 year old version of Roy against Hall, to the 40 year old version against Joe? Really? In physical appearence they look alike, but i'm sure your aware that those two versions are Worlds apart, and you're just baiting me.

DM would not fight Roy in America. He could never agree to terms. If he'd have gone over Roy would have fought him. He just said he wasn't prepared to go to Germany. Roy didn't need DM. It was DM that needed Roy. Also the injustice against him should have made him more determined to go and get Roy's belts. But it didn't, because he was happy defending at home.

I know that Hill had just lost, but that doesn't mean that Roy's 4th round knockout with that bodyshot wasn't highly impressive.

Why do you keep mentioning Roy was at Heavy? I was stating that in my opinion Joe should have moved up to 175 in 2000 and looked to have fights in the U.S. to gain Global recognition. Again, he should have fought literally anyone he could to get himself noticed over there.

Frank made enquiries to Stanley Levin (apparently) and Murad Muhammad, but Roy didn't want to know? You say that's not Joe's fault. Well it is, if he wasn't prepared to build up a fanbase and make a name for himself. Why do you keep saying he'd have had to have ditched his fanbase? He would have added to his fanbase. He'd have taken thousands of fans with him like Ricky did, and he would have got more fans if he'd have impressed. What you don't realize is this. If nobody knew who Joe was, HBO, Showtime, your average American fan, how the hell could Joe be expected to be paid the crown Jewels to fight Roy? It's a simple question.

You're only looking at things from Joe's perspective. Joe was great! He was a fantastic fantastic fighter. But outside of the U.K. he was unknown. So when Frank makes the call, Roy says something like "I'll consider it but I want 75% of the purse" Joe and Frank didn't have any power in any negotiations. Roy and Bernard weren't going to give him 50% or 45% because he was unknown, so yes they priced themselves out and didn't lose sleep over it. But if Joe had Global Recognition, or a 175 belt etc, he could have demanded the crown jewels. But He wasn't in a position to demand anything, because they'd only seen him once, and he hadn't impressed against Thornberry.

He had to look at the bigger picture. Yes for his first few fights in America he probably would have been on less money. But, after a few impressive fights, and he started moving up the rankings, the big Promoters and the Networks would have been circling him. If he'd have fought a popular 175 fighter, he would have made far more money than what Frank was paying him.

I keep using Hatton because he's the perfect example. Ricky took a chance. He moved up in weight, fought in Floyd's Country, fought Castillo, and embarrassed Floyd on TV. That is chasing a fight. If he'd have stayed at home he would never ever have got that fight. Because he fought Mayweather, the door then opened for him to fight Manny.

Back to Roy, I stand by my opinion that Roy at his best would have beaten Tarver and Glen. Based on the fact, that he beat Tarver when he wasn't at his best, and he'd beaten better fighters than Johnson. Maybe not at 175, but is there a huge difference in Griffin, Hill, Reggie and Glen? I think pre Ruiz, Roy wouldn't have had any trouble with Glen. I like Glen, but I think he was in the right place at the right time.

I respect your opinion, but peak Roy 95/96 TKO's Joe in my opinion. Styles make fights. Joe was great, but he was always relatively easy to hit, and could often be dragged into a macho tear up.

Great post.

I'm going to reply to your other posts now. Please don't reply to me until I've finished, and then we'll take it from there, thanks!