How many times was Price KO'd as an amateur?

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  1. lester proctor

    lester proctor Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not a bad indicator. Sillakh was thought to have a bad chin based on AMs. Wilder also. Not that this one had been proven, but nobody would be shocked.
     
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  3. Tuavale

    Tuavale Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Kenmore's query is reasonable. That said. Fighters often find their man strength as they mature and get older. And, of course skills improve, reducing getting caught with clean shots. That said, as I see it now Price may be a serious force to be reconed with. He has athleticism for a big man and frightening power. Want to see this guy again and his climb up the ladder.
     
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  4. itsa huge bitch

    itsa huge bitch Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i couldnt tell you how many times he was knocked out.but it is common knowledge that when tagged on the chin he loses his senses badly..so he is going to have to adapt..personally i think hes a knockout waiting to happen.esp if he is being fed these guys for another 5-8 fights.he loads up way to early on his shots.which is exciting.but against a decent fighter he will be punished.weve seen it before and we will see it again:good
     
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  5. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What's the evidence behind this "common knowledge?" I'm not denying what you say, I'm just interested. I'd like to look deeper at this.

    Are these gym stories...stemming from sparring experiences?
     
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  6. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tuavale: what do you think of the two Price amateur videos posted? Do you see evidence of recuperative ability, or vulnerability?
     
    kenmore, May 20, 2012
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  7. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Okay...I'll give you credit for knowing your ****. You sound hardcore. You're probably better versed in Holmes's career than I am.

    But still, around 1978 to 1982, Holmes was not getting hit nearly as much as in the later years. I remember that, as early as 1984, Holmes getting rocked against David Bey, which was stunning to see given that Larry had been almost untouchable previously. Holmes didn't look like his old self against Truth Williams in 1985. Both Spinks fights showed that Larry was very much on the downside. Ditto for 1988: I cannot imagine the younger, prime Holmes getting hit by Tyson's skull breaking bombs.

    The point I'm making is that, by 1988, Holmes legs, speed, and reflexes had deteriorated. These qualities were the cornerstone of Holmes's defensive ability. Hence, in 1988 the real problem was that Holmes was getting hit by shots that, for most of his earlier career, he would have avoided. I can't picture the prime Holmes losing to Tyson by anything other than a decision (assuming Holmes would even lose to Tyson, prime for prime).

    The punishment that Holmes took against Weaver -- which you describe -- was the exception to how the prime Holmes usually functioned on defense.

    As for the story that Holmes may have been carried out on a stretcher against Wells, that's news to me. But again, even if it's true, that may not say anything about Holmes's durability at that age. Could be that Holmes's defense was flawed during his early amateur days. If given a wide open target, Wells could put someone's lights out, I'm told.
     
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  8. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    lol. .

    but to be honest, I didn't think he was really "hating", or being disrespectful. . it just seemed like he was trying to see if anybody thinks he might have future problems taking a punch. . . When he steps up to the heavy hitters in the division.
     
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  9. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You said it, bro...you said it and you said it straight...shootin' from the hip...das what it's all about...
     
    kenmore, May 20, 2012
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  10. Zakman

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    I'm not particularly familiar with Price, or his amateur career, but I will tell you this. If a guy is fairly regularly visting the canvas wearing headgear, chances are his punch resistance without it won't be too good.

    Time will tell, but if what people say is true, he DEFINITELY belongs on the suspect chin list.
     
    Zakman, May 20, 2012
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  11. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Spoken by the Prof! 'Nuff said!

    I agree with you though: Price's chin may be suspect. Time will tell.
     
    kenmore, May 21, 2012
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  12. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There's definitely enough evidence from his amateur career to create doubts about his punch resistance as a pro. I'm big on Price's offensive capabilities, but until he takes big shots as a pro there will always be concerns about his chin.

    That isn't to say that he conclusively has a bad chin. Bowe and Lewis didn't look terribly durable as amateurs, but had more than enough to make a big impact in the pro ranks.

    Even if Price has a glass jaw, he may have the attributes to overcome this liability in the same way Wlad has.
     
    Momus, May 21, 2012
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  13. simon850

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    We will find out how good he is when he fights a decent challenger.
     
    simon850, May 21, 2012
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  14. icemax

    icemax Indian Red Full Member

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    Its difficult to tell whats right and what isn't when it seems like an impossibility to actually get sight of his amateur record....its like a state secret.
     
    icemax, May 21, 2012
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  15. Ilesey

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    Not too sure why it matters so much? :conf
     
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