Haye boasts about breaking 50 year old Don Charles's jaw

TBH even if Booth wasn't working for 5 Live theres every chance he'd have been there. People with any sort of connection get invited to pressers.

Tommy Hearns grabbed the mic and gave Antonio Tarver a load of **** at the Martinez-Pavlik presser.

 

I completely disagree with every point you are making.

You sound like you are actually a David Haye interview regurgitated.

Listen to the Sky interview and the other times Haye has not said it is regrettable he had a bottle in his hand when he hit somebody. I am sure you have watched the interview it did cause quite a stir and many people were surprised about how poorly Haye represented himself and boxing. If you did not pick up on that I am definitely wasting my time typing this.


Haye was at the presser to stir things up with Vitali and it back fired when Chisora went too far in his own attempt to get a fight with Haye going. Frank wanted Haye v Chisora and Haye wanted to fight Vitali. A silly little stand off took place that got blown out of all proportion. Haye could have avoided fighting Chisora by putting people between himself and Del. It's not hard to do if you don't want confrontation.


What is the biggest disgrace though is the way Haye cannot self reflect and realise the whole thing was unsavoury as opposed to something he could boast about. He is boasting about knocking Chisora out and breaking a mans jaw. Haye just comes across as a scumbag.


Some of the most reasonable mild mannered people I know who follow boxing are disgusted by Haye's carry on over the last number of years. Personally I wish he ahd stayed retired because boxing doesn't need him.

 

I am sure David Haye has avoided many fights, he is a good looking, successful athlete, and is a very socialable guy. These are the type of people, that have trouble when they are out in clubs etc, due to jealously. Throughout his younger years, there where never any reports of him getting involved in fights.

I don't care who your mates are, boxing is a sport, most sports teach discipline. In real life on the street, you have to know when to react, and when not to react. David Haye in my opinion, reacted correct. Derek Chisora had been threatening him for some time, David Haye was quietly standing at the back of the room, with the other press. It was Kiltschko's manager, and Chisora himself that brought David Haye into the press conference talk.

For example, this is just a example not REAL! Just Banter.

If i threaten to hit you when i see you, how are you going to react..? If i have a track record of threatening posters on this forum, and then basically carrying out violent acts on them, what are you going to do..?

What are you going to do, when i come walking towards you..?

Are you going to wait to be another victim..?

Or are you going to try and explain to me.....that you only fight between the ropes..?

9 times out of 10, there is no time for diplomatic procedure on the street.

The correct thing you do is react and end the situation, just like David Haye did on Derek Chisora.

: But i agree with you, it is good that you have never been in a street fight. I am also never involved in any street fights since high-school, but all i am saying mentally you must always be prepared to react, because there could be a time when diplomatic procedure will not have any affect.

 

Ok, Icarus...

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5:41
"If someone burgles your house and you knock them out, are you gonna apologise for knocking them out? No, you're not. You're gonna stamp on their head, just like any normal person would."

So, in context he's not encouraging or condoning having a street fight and stamping on anyone's head. He's making a specific point about what you would do if you were threatened. You have fabricated a point from what he said in a completely different context.

Where's the thing about glassing people?

 

To me this is looking at the situation totally arse about face. Chisora starts on Haye and what happens after that is Hayes fault for not having more people there? Not Chisoras for starting the physical confrontation?

 

A lot of the calling out at pressers is orchestrated between the promoters. Cooney and Holmes for example.

I believe that was the case in Germany. Frank wanted Haye there so he could build up a fight with Chisora. Haye wasn't buying that and wanted Vitali so a conflict opened up.

 

You would disagree, because you're wrong. This is all simple logic. The reason I'm repeating what Haye has said is because you have fabricated a story and cut out the sections that don't suit your argument.

Oh, so because he hasn't said he regrets it, that means he's encouraging it? That is a dreadful argument.

I thought he came across OK on the Sky interview (the one I think you're referring to). It was Kay Burley, as usual, being a total bint and trying to get a reaction. I generally find Haye a little cringeworthy at times, but I thought he was fair and stated his opinion clearly and logically.

I left out the first part of this because it added nothing. But the rest is silly. Haye shouldn't have had to put anyone between him and Chisora. Chisora should have stayed in his seat. Haye stayed where he was, it was Chisora that advanced on him.

He has not boasted once. Learn to read what the words actually say. Not apologising is not the same as boasting. He said, clearly, "I don't regret DEFENDING myself."

His point about Charles is that he doesn't understand why a 50-year old man is acting like a thug when he got shown up the last time. The headline is misleading to what he actually said, which I do admit is distasteful.

Hilarious - Ali suggested Joe Frazier was a gorilla. I bet you think he was an inspiration. Ray Robinson beat his wife. Ray Leonard abused drugs and ****ed anything that moved. Edwin Valero abused and murdered his wife. Kevin Mitchell's a drug dealer.

Yes, Haye making a t-shirt and being a bit hurtful is TERRIBLE!

Get a grip.

 

So you've basically fabricated something else, based on nothing, yet again?

You are having a spectacular fail at debating tonight.

 

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Yipes. watch you eyebrows Francis

 

To be fair PK, ive heard a few stories about Haye and his boasting about KO'ing idiots who have had a go in nightclubs before most knew him

 

I love a good mass debate.

 

Self defence starts with identifying a potential threat and avoiding it. You only hit out when you have no way to escape. I have done several self defence courses as well as having boxed through my teens. If I was to get cornered and I was in danger I would throw the kitchen sink at the attacker. I won't stop hitting until I could get away.

I don't believe Haye was cornered. As I said I see that Chisora put it up to Haye and Haye had two options:

1. To avoid the fight.

2. To hit Chisora.


To avoid losing face Haye didn't go with Opton 1. In that situation under the glare of a room full of people Haye's ego wasn't going to let him back down.

During the discussion Haye dismissed Chisora as a potential opponent. He said Chisora had been beaten by Fury inferring that he didn't respect Chisora as a talent. Haye played his part in winding Chisora up as did Wlad with his sneaky **** stirring slap comment.

It's not correct to portray this as all Chisora fault. I see it that they are both at fault.

It is Haye's attitude towards the incident in the last few weeks that has bugged me most.

 

I think it's cool that you avoid fights outside of the ring. Too many scumbags in this world, and not enough gentlemen. It's a good attitude to have. Having said that, Haye's reaction was IMO the right thing to do because it was too much of a risk to expect Chisora to not do anything. Look at the guys history. He's bitten, slapped, spat at, opponents. He's a real loose cannon. A big guy like that could've hurt Haye if Haye hadnt taken action. Maybe he wasn't going to do anything. Maybe he just wanted "banter", but given his history, why take the risk?

As for the bottling thing. He just happened to be holding a bottle in his hand at the time and made a fist with the bottle still in his hand. Not a glassing.


Yes Haye could have walked away when he saw Chisora coming towards him, but very, very few people would have done this.

I don't like the way he's been talking about the incident, but that's Haye for you. He's smug, and loves being elevated to "G status" by morons. He's no Alexis Arguello. True class is rare. All in all, although Haye is a ****, he was just defending himself.

 

Yeah i remember him telling the tale of 3 maybe 4 blokes coming over to weigh him in and him sparking them whilst man main stood there not knowing till lights in club got brighter and saw them all lying on floor.

Something like that anyways. It's on youtube i'll try and find it.

 

I have been told that he leaped to defend, the late Jade Goody off big brother. She was being hassled in the club by some guy, until the Hayemaker stepped in and ended the situation.

R.I.P Jade Goody.