future elite "ATG" :good (Pac is likely to end up top 25)..De La Hoya and Mosley were the closest to that Mayweather fought, DLH was a part-time fighter and 35yo, Mosley was 38yo coming off a year and a half layoff. Castillo and Cotto are the next closest, and they were closer to their prime and still elite, though I doubt too many will have them top 100 in ATG lists, and they gave Floyd his toughest fights and LOL at you including Ortiz and Judah as elite fighters..Elite fighters are guys like Pac and Martinez, proven top p4p guys...Judah had just lost to Baldomir and had an extremely poor record vs the best, Ortiz is B level who did nothing at 140 and had just one good win at the weight vs Android Berto (who himself had not proven much)
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/stor...-tests-positive-rematch-victor-ortiz-canceled Berto submitted to a This content is protected test May 2. The "A" test came back positive last week. The "B" sample also came back positive Friday, triggering VADA to alert the California State Athletic Commission, DiBella and Schaefer. .................. pac's offer to floyd from the beginning is for unlimited urine test.
http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/7913481/lamont-peterson-amir-khan-canceled-failed-urine-test A urine sample Peterson supplied during a random test administered on March 19, when the fighters were at a promotional news conference in Los Angeles, tested positive for synthetic testosterone, a banned substance.
point is the offer of unlimited urine test was sufficient. ...and who's we?? Team Homos? ...and do you have a link where pac admitted to being scared of needles??
The last obstacle to the fight not being made was money, so why are you ****ing idiots still bringing up drug testing? Remember Floyd pricing himself out?
Just keep raising the bar when you get proven wrong. If you going to discredit Floyd then you should know that Pac didn't defeat any In prime "ATGs" either. Second of all, Judah was a top 10 p4p when they signed to fight, just bc he got upset it was not Floyd fault. Ortiz beat Berto for the WBC title which makes him elite. If world champions are not "elite fighters" then who the F**k is? Oh I know all Pac opponents right?
I don't think he is afraid of Pacquiao physically, but I feel he thinks he is the biggest threat to his 0. The man is a technical genius and a control freak but I believe he still has doubts in his mind contrary to the reason the fight should have happened already.
Floyd is scared that Pac will take his zero away. But why Floyd will told he is concerned on his health in regards with the Pacquiao fight.
Whether PAC is on roid or not, one thing we know for sure is that Floyd is scared shitless of PAC as is right now.
And a cut off date and refusal to take blood. You can mask urine, you can't mask blood. Hell i pass a drug test in three weeks. I drank a lot of water and I passed.
Why am i even arguing with people who thinks additional test is a bad idea anyways? Sounds like you guys want boxers to potentially cheat. bunch of weirdos.
1. if you are claiming that the offer of unlimited urine test is insufficient anf the 3 blood test as pffered by pac, then you're probly incapable of understanding the reasons or you haven't been following the debate. 2. Manny is not scared of needles....now provide a link where he admitted that he is.
Barrera, Marquez :good..he's been chasing Mayweather for years now too, and will get a pass as Mayweather has been the one making excuse after excuse and is the one with the form of having avoided elite fighters if you include Ortiz, Judah and Berto as elite fighters, you put them on the same level as guys like Ward, Pac, Mayweather, Martinez, Marquez, Klits, Donaire..you know that's a joke..those guys weren't anywhere near that, Judah was on hype and that one win vs Spinks but has proven time and again he is a level below the best fighters, his fight before Spinks (vs Pineda) and after (vs Baldomir) also showed this