Roy Jones vs Calzaghe at their peaks. Objectively tell me...

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Exposed by who? Calzaghe was a top SMW. Americas top SMWs in Calzaghes era were -
Brewer - beaten by Calzaghe
Lacy - beaten by Calzaghe
Mitchell - beaten by Calzaghe

They were the top SMWs, then as contenders there was -
Sheika - beaten by Calzaghe
Manfredo - beaten by Calzaghe

You forget that Calzaghe had to get replacements as Echoles, Tate and Salmaci didnt fight him. Echoles and Tate pulled out late.

So who was going to expose him in America? It wouldnt be Hopkins or Jones because they didnt want to know

 

Fight wouldn't have happened....Joe would have had repeated hand injuries in training...just ask Glenn Johnson.

....joking aside, Calzaghe puts up a fight in the early rounds but see Jones stopping him late or winning by a decent majority...too much speed and power in his prime for most LHW's to deal with....no idea how a SMW would deal with a bigger guy that is faster, more accurate, better skilled and bigger puncher than you.

 

ESB feels familiar again

 

Bailey, it's one thing to point at that that Calzaghe or his promotor says he chased after Jones. But we only have his word for it, and you have to respect that not all takes Joes word for proof. Boxers lie sometimes, and Joe is not above doubt.

 

Again, there is video posted several times to this site where Calzaghe says in an interview it would take the crown jewels to get him to fight Jones.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-337916-p-2.html

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Which tells us Joe was prepared to fight Jones, assuming he got well paid. Nothing strange in it.

 

Hi Bailey,

Thanks for the reply.

First off, you'll have to explain me what you mean regarding the Hopkins/Jones rematch. It was a horrible fight, they were rabbit punching each other and Bernard was faking injury, I never want to watch it again. I'm not sure what you're talking about regarding a knockdown.

I understand that Roy collected all of DM's old belts, but he wasn't just handed them was he? Roy was the best fighter in the World in many peoples eyes when he moved up to 175. Obviously he couldn't call himself the Best in Division until he beat the fighters who had the Belts. I respect your opinion and you've made some good points, but I think the Onus was on DM. I honestly believe Roy would have fought him, if he'd have gone over. But they had two or three negotiations, and when it didn't come off, Roy decided he was going up to Heavyweight.

I think in 1998 Otis Grant would have been more known to the U.S. public than Joe. Joe wasn't willing to go up and give Roy a big share. He wanted Roy to come down to 168 and he wanted The Crown Jewels for the fight. He could have accepted Roy's offer but he didn't. That was his loss not Roy's. An earlier fight against Roy is missing from Joe's resume, and not vice versa.

Roy wouldn't have made huge money against Grant, but he probably would have had 70% of the purse, and the fight would have been at Roy's weight. He wanted a lot of money to fight Joe, because he wasn't really prepared to come down in weight. In 2002 he didn't want to come down in weight, because at the time, he knew he was going up to Heavy to fight someone within the following 12-18 months.

You keep saying Roy priced himself out. But Joe could have accepted the terms, but he didn't, and he missed his opportunity to fight the Worlds best fighter. He refused the terms because he wanted the Crown Jewels. Roy wouldn't have lost any sleep about the fight not coming off. I think Joe should have taken the offer, because like I said in my previous post, unless Roy had've beaten him easily, it would have been more beneficial to Joe in the long run. But he didn't seem to look at the bigger picture. At the time, Joe was in no position to demand what he was demanding.

Roy was considered the best, Joe was great, but relatively unknown, so of course Roy was going to demand a huge percentage. What we don't know is, what Joe classed as the Crown Jewels? We can only guess. But Roy wasn't going to come down in weight for 50% of the pot.

I'm sorry but what do your videos prove really? He says he chased Roy for 6 years? By doing what? Getting Frank to call Murad Muhammad?

There's quotes saying he wanted to fight Roy.

But he wasn't satisfied with the amount he was offered. So the videos don't really prove anything. It's just Joe's opinion. My opinion is, Joe thought he was worth more than what he actually was. You can interpret the quotes however you want.

If you think he chased Roy, fair enough. But without boring everyone again and repeating myself, he didn't fight in Roy's weight class or in his Country, so I don't think he did chase him.

How could Joe in the late 90's, early 00's expect to be paid the Crown Jewels against Roy? He was Champion of a weak division mainly consisting of European fighters, who outside of Europe, not many people knew. It was totally unrealistic in my opinion.

He always says it was Roy's fault for asking for too much money. But he could have accepted the offer, but chose not too. In my opinion, he thought he was on Roy's level, but he wasn't too bothered about proving it to anyone.

What I'm saying is, Joe comes across as an intelligent man. So when negotiations were taking place, he must have had an idea of how much Roy was going to ask for. Roy was a three weight World Champion and pound for pound number 1. He and Frank must have known they weren't going to get a huge amount of money. So I don't believe he seriously wanted the fight as much as he tells people he did. Because if he'd have been that desperate for it, he'd have signed for it.

Regards, Loudon.

 

What about Jones acknowledging he was being chased but saying no disrespect but he didnt want to know

 

Saying it would take the crown jewels is what most of us would call 'pricing yourself out'.:deal

 

Could you please post a source for this? And I appreciate if you DONT give me a very long post with additional information about what Joe and/or his promotor have said. Just a source were Jones says he was chased by Joe but were not interested. Thank you.

 

I dont think Calzaghe was very eager to fight Jones. In difference from what many posters believe boxers are well aware of the risks of taking violent shots to the head. I respect that Calzaghe was hesitant, just that I respect that Floyd is hesitant to fight Pac. But you have no clue if it were Calzaghe or Jones that "priced himself out". Jones could be a bullshitter at times.

 

Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

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Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

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”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

 

Um, it was Joe that says in the video that it would take the crown jewels for him to fight Jones. Not much doubt left there. This is all old news that has been discussed here before.

 

Thank you, but the only thing this article confirms is that Jones would not fight Calzaghe in Europe. Jones does not confirm that Calzaghe chased him, he does not confirm that Calzaghe was giving him a reasonable offer, he does not even confirm that Calzaghe made him any offer at all.

Roy Jones was not prepared to leave his comfortzone to make the fight. We know so much. Was Calzaghe prepared to leave his, as he did once Jones was no longer at top of his game? We dont know that. We dont even know if he tried to negotiate the fight at all. If you want to take Calzaghes word for it, thats fine. But not everyone has to.