RJJ doesn't belong in this category. He hasn't fought nearly enough as a heavyweight in order to warrant top 5 consideration. If this question was posed as the fastest hands at light heavyweight, then Jones is clearly #1. Here's my list for light heavyweights. #1 Roy Jones Jr #2 Michael Spinks #4 Billy Conn #5 Archie Moore #5 Bob Foster Fastest hands of all time, every weight devision. #1 Floyd Patterson #2 Roy Jones Jr #3 Sugar Ray Robinson #4 Muhammad Ali #5 Pernell Whitaker
Considering it was better than any Heavyweight I've ever seen, I think that says more about your opinion of the Heavies than anything. He still had very fast Middleweight speed, lightning jab and reflexes.
I think herbie hide has got to be ahead of some of the people mentioned not as good a fighter but lightening hand speed for a heavyweight.
What's the dif? The end result of the equation will include either or as an integral part (in fact the two are quite frankly similar/identical in that regard) - not that other stuff isn't important.
The question asks "top 5 fastest hands at heavyweight". Not "the top 5 fastest hands at heavyweight, but not a champion who only fought once at the weight. Only natural heavyweights need apply". IMO I'm awnsering the question with a broad mind, you're not.
I'm not going to touch on your top 5 for lightheavy, but for all time every weight division ... you do know that Ray Leonard was faster than SRR, as was Meldrick Taylor as was Hector Macho Camacho, don't you? Ray Leonard, Meldrick and Hector were also faster than Pernell ... and then Ali has been measured on film to have a jab 1/3 faster than that of SRR ... I just don't agree with your assessment, comrade.
Michael Spinks had decent handspeed at 175 but nothing extraordinary. Foster IMO was noticably faster.
yeah Ali's jab were measured faster than Sugar Ray's but still he's down at the bottom LOL. Let's see some facts. "The Muhammad Ali of 60’s was the fastest heavyweight ever. In the May 5, 1969 Sports Illustrated, Ali’s jab was measured with an omegascope. Ali’s jab, it was found, could smash a balsa board 16.5 inches away in 19/100 of a second. It actually covered the distance in 4/100 of a second, which is the blink of an eye. Jimmy Jacobs, who owned the world’s largest collection of fight films, said that on film tests with a synchronizer Ali’s jab was faster than that of Sugar Ray Robinson. Jacobs contended that Ali was not only the fastest heavyweight, but also the fastest fighter he ever saw on film."
In no order - Patterson Jones Jr. Tyson Ali Those are the only four that really stand out as elite, there's a list of guys I could put at #5 - Mathis Sr. Ellis Dokes Conn Charles Hide Sanders
Jones should be up there... Leroy that is. Sure he was fat, he was round, but that handspeed was worth a million pounds.
Heh, your all time list is all off... Pea was fast, (one of my favorite fighters btw..) but RJJR, Meldrick Taylor, Camacho, Shane Mosley and SRL were amazingly fast.. Those are also the people that just spring to mind when i think handspeed.. Those are who i think had the top 3 handspeed... (Im talking about Mosley in his early 147 days, and yes he was faster there than at 135, weird, but true..) I just think those few could go ahead Ray Rob and Pea
Well, it depends upon what you mean by 'fast'. Fast in terms of velocity attained? or fast in terms of the amount of time it takes for the punch to get there? If it's the latter sense of 'fast', then distance is legitimately part of the equation. Fast can mean a lot of things: velocity attained, time the punch takes, quick reaction to an opening, the ability to repeat a blow quickly, the ability to combine blows quickly . . . . 'fast' has many dimensions, it's not a simple property.