Hatton won more rounds than Cotto against floyd

That's strange :huh

Floyd v Hatton and Cotto isn't STRUGGLED but
Pac v Mosley, with 1 KD and 12-0 UD is STRUGGLED. Well, that's according to knowledgeable Floyd fans.

 

lederman is a good scorer...nobody is right 100% of the time...my scores USUALLY are close to his..

 

If you like experts you can take a listen to these pro boxers who all disagree with Ledermans **** scoring of Pac-JMM III












Marvin Hagler "d|sgusting result! #ROBBERY!" Twitter

Bernard Hopkins "FloydMayweather blow thru MannyPacquiao easy!!" Twitter

OscarDeLaHoya "I'm still sitting on my couch in disbelief. Paquiao cannot compete with a counter puncher like Marquez. Juan has the Patience to wait and capitalize on mistakes. I think this shows how superior mayweather is." Twitter

Andre Dirrell "Ok after this fight, I don't know what 2 think! Did JMM just have a good night, or did Pacman put on a great possum show 2 get MW! U TELL ME. GO GET YO GLOVES ON AND COME WHOOP THIS DUDE!!!! PACMAN CAN'T SEE YOU!!!" Twitter

ZAB JUDAH "Robbery!!!!" Twitter

Steve Cunningham "All pro fighters I know ,guys which know what to look 4 in a fight had jmm winning. It's not just entertainment to us its a #lifestyle#" Twitter

Anthonydirrell "If y'all think that they was bout to lose out on 150 million y'all crazy"

Matthew Macklin "It was close but still wrong...and for it to happen THREE times!!!!!?? WTF!!!" Twitter

Andre S.O.G. Ward "Well, I was wrong. Marquez is boxing a masterful fight. Marquez won this fight, period!!" Twitter

Terry Norris "Wow! Thought PAC man would win. But clearly Marquez was robbed again. PAC did NOT win this fight."

Andre Berto "Smh WOW..... Come on u know Top Rank was gonna let Marquez **** the money up!!! Great fight though"

Omar Henry "Wow I just watched Pacquiao get beat and Marquez get robbed!!!! and yes I was one of the people in the crowd booing the robbery!!!!"

Chris Arreola "Marquez won, true champ. Let's see Mayweather-Pacquiao. ****."

Rashad Holloway "I'm team Pacquiao all day but Marquez won this fight hands down. Sad to see how politics run this sport when fighters work so hard." Twitter

Fernando Vargas "Well I'm DISGUSTED at tonight's event. It's sad that u can TRAIN your butt off for months and get jobbed at the end of the day! Truth is that EVERYWHERE Marquez goes EVERYONE will tell him that he WAS ROBBED & HELL FEEL LIKE HE WON BECUZ HE REALLY DID!!! SAME FOR PACMAN. EVERYWHERE HE GOES PEOPLE WILL TELL HIM HE REALLY LOST AND HE GOT A GIFT!!! LOVE THIS SPORT. But this is a SAD MOMENT FOR ME.
#LongLiveDinamitaMarquez" Twitter

Juan Diaz "Great fight for the boxung fans but bad decision by the judges." Twitter

Amir Khan "mayb a good draw or marquez by 1-2 rounds." Twitter

Anthony Mundine "I luv PAC too...but he lost fair & square...but I'm sure he will return stronger...PAC v Marquez 4 #bringit. Actually I change my mind! Marquez deserves the pay day v money!! As he was really the victor! Don't think I wanna see 4. Even tho money." Anthony Mundine (@The_Man_Mundine) on Twitter

Erik Morales "Nos robaroooon y feo. Marquez total reconocimiento es el segundo mexicano que le pone en su madre a pacquiao, gano y gano muy bien felicidadees!" Which translates to English as "They robbed us and it was an ugly robbery too. To Marquez total recognition, he is the second Mexican to beat the sh!t out of Pacquiao, he won and he won nicely. Congratulations!" Erik Morales (@terrible100) on Twitter

Jean Pascal "On my card Marquez WON!!!!" Jean Pascal (@jeanpascalchamp) on Twitter


Michael Marley "I had Juan Manuel Marquez a slim 114-113 victor. Pacman should steer clear of this guy because it is like Ken Norton vs Ali." Twitter

EDIT:

DarrenBarker82 Darren barker
Just watched the fight Jmm won that in my eyes clearly!


jcchavezjr1 Julio Cesar Chavez
Gano marquez hoy. Fue un robo juan manuel gano claramente. esto esto es malo para el boxeo. Saludo a todos
[Translation: Marquez won today. It was a robbery, Juan Manuel won clearly. This is bad for boxing.]

SUGARRAYLEONARD Sugar Ray Leonard
The fight against Manny vs Marquez surprised everyone except Marquez! What a display of mental, spiritual and physical training of a boxer!


FernandoVargas FerozFernandoVargas
MARQUEZ 8 - 4!!!!!! THEY BETTER NOT ROB MARQUEZ!!!!

ChinoMaidana Marcos Maidana
Pobre Márquez lo robaron!
[Translation: Poor Marquez, they robbed him!]


Raul Martinez "Marquez 7 Pac 5. I want my ppv money back. That's why #Boxing losing fans to #mma. Mayweather eats pacman up. http://twitter.com/#!/RaulMartinez210


2012Jlove J'Leon Love
They played my man Marquez lastnight on the fight. He boxed a perfect fight it sucks that #boxing judging is so terrible.


Peter Manfredo Jr. "Wow, after watching this, I better not leave it to the judges next week!!!"

" Lou DiBella "Three guys won tonight, Marquez, Floyd and Sergio Martinez." http://twitter.com/#!/loudibella "


Josesito Lopez "I had it 115-113 for #Marquez. The only good thing about last night is that we'll prolly get to see Mayweather beat pacman next!" http://twitter.com/#!/JosesitoLopez

dyou know any of these guys?

 

Nah Lew, Cotto was still being aggressive and coming forward. He may have covered up at times, but flush shots to the chin will do that. Mayweather definitely dominated the last few rounds, but it wasn't because Cotto was in survival mode.

 

Hatton forced Floyd to fight out of his comfort zone, at a much higher pace than he would normally have wanted, but he was getting beat up in order to do so

Floyd was essentially forced to fight Hattons fight because of the speed at which Hatton came in

Against Cotto, Floyd chose to fight Cotto's fight, and beat him at it

 

i'm not gonna get into argument with you over JMM/Pac except to say Harold's scoring criteria is what most reasoned scores use.

 

The words perhaps yes

Ring generalship
Clean punching
Effective aggresion

But he doesn't use them correctly

 

Fair enough man I might be being a bit harsh on Cotto (who I do have a lot of respect for) but I feel like if he'd tried to push for the KO as much as Hatton did he would have probably been stopped.

 

Very good points.

 

I would certainly agree with that.


PS- I also think Cotto thought he was reasonably close enough on the cards that he stood a chance to win.

 

fair enough...but 3 judges scored the fight...and it was not an easy fight to score...different people see different things i.e. JMM's counter punching and skill or Pac's aggression..

 

True!

 

That's exactly what happened in the Cotto fight...more so than in the Hatton fight, actually. In the Hatton fight Floyd looked uncomfortable for many rounds, but he was still countering Hatton coming in from round one onwards, using pinpoint shots like the straight right and left-hook. Hatton never forced Floyd to up his workrate. Floyd only started unleashing combinations in round 8, when he felt that Hatton was ready to be taken out. In the Cotto fight Mayweather was throwing combinations from an early stage, and he was getting hit with much more flush punches.

He didn't fight Hatton's fight, though...he was hitting him with counterpunches as Hatton lunged in from the first round. That strategy broke Hatton down, bit by bit, until he was taken out. Hatton's footspeed and aggression made the fight interesting, but he wasn't particularly effective at forcing Mayweather to fight his fight at all.

Floyd didn't choose to make the fight hard for himself. He's not a dumb fighter -- he does everything possible to make fights easy, using every tool he has. Floyd was fighting Cotto in his normal style, but throwing more combinations because he needed to up his workrate to win rounds. (Although his legs aren't as good as they were when he fought Hatton, due to age, so it stands to reason that he'd be more flatfooted.)

 

I don't think he did make the fight harder for himself by fighting that fight, Cotto's attacks in the corner where where Mayweather had a lot of his best moments and best work came from Cotto's attacks in the corner

 

haha im watching the fight again now, the crowd was going nuts when rickys punch caught floyd off balance in the first round