Still not getting over Pac-JMM III

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  1. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No its not, its delusional.. :deal

    I can't even score it 8-4 for Pac who I think is the winner.. :bart
     
    LordJomski, May 23, 2012
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  2. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Forget about Punchstats for a moment okay? Manny answered to that question put by Max whether if he did prove that he had won those two previous bouts with this third result and he, himself was not that sure about the answer. Happens that you gat to believe in Manny's honesty even more so if you are a fan and that is that he took the fight to JMM and all Marquez did was come on trading about in the 8th or 9th round and back to safety mode and counter punching ability. I am not even gonna look at Mr Babatude's board, LordJomski, Pacquiao and JMM were even on clean effective punching, one would hit the other with the str8 left and the other would counter ( I mean punch back at) him with a str8 right so where is the diference, should you give more emphasis to aggressiveness or to defense? If Manny would have not taken the fight to JMM, there would be no fight, LordJomski, am I wrong? Now, ring generalship, I am not sure who manoeuvred who but I am rewatching the fight in my mind and it's all about Manny using good balance and tryin to step in with punches and tryin to find those angles, stepping to the side a lil bit, just like a predator so... Let it go if you please(?).
     
    Dorfmeister, May 23, 2012
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  3. phierl

    phierl Active Member Full Member

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    Close fight, scored it for Marquez, but haven't rewatched it since. It is not in any way a robbery, but still think Marquez deserves the decision.
     
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  4. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :good


    As far as I can remember..

    Round 1: Manny was aware that JMM would counter him if he engages and JMM was wary about Pac's power because he's got no idea how hard would that be.. It wasn't the kind of fight the fans wanted.. :nonoIts not a masterful performance but Pac won round 1.. :yep

    JMM picked the action up in round 2, landed some body blows.. Pac still figuring out when to throw the counters so he just stays on defense.. JMM won it convincingly..

    Rounds 3 and 4 are just a repeat of round 1 only you multiply the action by two or three.. Still, it wasn't what the fans wanted.. :patsch

    Pac decided to make it exciting, as a result he lost the middle rounds convincingly..

    I can't remember which round was a toss-up but I know atleast 1.. :think

    At the end of 8 rounds, I have JMM leading 5 rounds to 3.. I gave him the toss-up round..

    Pac won round 9 and round 10 was a toss-up..

    JMM thought he already won the fight and arguably lost rounds 11 and 12..

    Add it all up..

    Pac won 115-113 or a 114-114 draw..

    Both guys were par at counter-punching, and defense where the other one blocks and the other one leans back.. Both scored clean punches..

    JMM won more convincing rounds but Pacquioa won more rounds enough to win the fight.. :smoke
     
    LordJomski, May 23, 2012
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  5. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I gree with most of your fight analysis but bottom line, JMM took the fight to Pacquiao by way of oulanding him in the first fight and after the three knockdowns and engaged a lot with him at SFW in the rematch with both fighters ending bloody and running out of energy. In the first fight Cnadian judge Guy Jutras gave it 115-110 to Marquez and in the second fight Jerry Roth from Nevada had it 115-112 to Marquez so he made a case that time by going balls to the wall and schooling the still green and crude Pacquiao. I can't give more than 5 rounds to JMM in this one, he was 38 and he fought a cerebral strategical and technical fight full of small details he uses as arguements but basically him and Nacho beristain were so disppointed and delusional in that locker room :verysad when they were not even sure if they could still have made a fight going against the Pacquiao that grew up so much since their last matchup...
     
    Dorfmeister, May 23, 2012
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  6. bodyheadic

    bodyheadic Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That bull**** judge Glenn Trowbridge had it 8-4 for Pac.

    The fix was in dude.
     
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  7. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pac won 6 rounds.. JMM won 4 rounds..

    There was two close rounds that can go either way depending on your own personal basis of scoring a round.. In my way of scoring, I consider one thing.. Pacquioa was the champ and JMM was the challenger.. We all hear this in World Championship fights.. If a challenger wants to take that belt, he should take it to the champ.. But JMM appeared to wait forever rather than to engage first.. He doesn't get one category for this one.. Defense were even and same goes with the clean punching.. So who would you give the ring generalship? JMM was counter-punching, and you can say that it is his game.. But Pac did all of it in the first place, he took the fight to JMM and he did not lose the counter-punching battle despite being aggresive.. So who are you giving that category? I gave one for Pacquiao and one for Marquez just to be fair.. But we all know who deserves to win those two toss-up rounds.. :smoke
     
    LordJomski, May 25, 2012
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  8. Fightfan1912

    Fightfan1912 Active Member Full Member

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    I cant understand how anyone can seriously think that Pacquiao won the 3rd fight. It was a boxing masterclass for JMM.
     
    Fightfan1912, May 25, 2012
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  9. Dorfmeister

    Dorfmeister Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Based on what I said and you have said b4, obviously to Pacquiao so it's 8 rounds to 4, 116-112. And I rest my case and so should you. Cheers.
     
    Dorfmeister, May 25, 2012
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  10. techks

    techks ATG list Killah! Full Member

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    The last 2 fights of the trilogy were imo. First fight could've gone either way but despite the who was awarded the "official" victory or not they were great fights by great fighters.
     
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  11. KnuckleUp99

    KnuckleUp99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Get over it....but I agree with you... My card was for JMM but it was very close... I wasn't shocked to see the decison go the other direction...it just wasn't my decison.
     
    KnuckleUp99, May 25, 2012
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  12. Leavemealone

    Leavemealone Active Member Full Member

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    anyone that thinks pac won should be ashamed of themselves.
     
    Leavemealone, May 25, 2012
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  13. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :thumbsup
     
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  14. LordJomski

    LordJomski Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Even for the rounds he won, its not.. :deal
     
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  15. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Idiot.
     
    floyd_g.o.a.t, May 25, 2012
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