Will VADA's recent acts make fighters rethink participation?

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  1. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    If it turns out Berto/Ortiz was called off over Berto ingesting a legal product that had been contaminated by a careless manufacturer then why should athletes be willing to pony up the tens of thousands required for testing if it costs them millions in revenue?

    Berto WOULD have tested positive because this substance lingers a long time but he would have gotten his payday by then. At that time he could argue his case and pay a fine if no one believed him but he would have still had his payday. I gotta believe there are some VADA clients looking VERY HARD at this right now.

    I am very much in favor of adequate testing so let's not go there. This is about what may be going through VADA's customers minds right now. Short of once a month to smooth out possible bumps is random testing going to work? If Berto's story is true then consistent testing would easily reveal this because it would be an insignificant bump between regular testing periods. None in month A. Trace in month B would bolster his claim but to start testing right before a fight could also indicate he hadn't 'cycled' yet.
     
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  2. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    Veda?
     
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  3. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    Anyone who dosnt want extra testing is in favour of cheating

    Why would you want to see something you love tarnished by steroid cheats
     
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  4. Hermit

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    Sure, why not. :lol:
     
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  5. Hermit

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    Why would you want to see something you love tarnished by a for profit start up company that seems to not have all the bugs worked out of their protocol yet?
     
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  6. oibighead

    oibighead G.O.A.T. Full Member

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    You can only wean out bugs through actual application of such a protocol.


    You can not get something to operate at 100% without actually using it for real, in real life situations continuously, and progressing from the results you receive.
     
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  7. Hermit

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    For the reported price of tens of thousands of dollars and the risk of losing a big payday, there have got to be some guys rethinking the risk/reward of being "guinea pig's" for Conte's benefit though. If Berto turns out to be a victim, look for VADA to have some hard times.
     
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  8. Prince.

    Prince. 24/7 365 Full Member

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    THIS is the meaning of life! :yikes

    Well written .
     
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  9. Divi253

    Divi253 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It might, but I hope not. If so, there's more options than Vada right? USADA did Floyd vs Mosley. I believe they did the Cotto fight as well.
     
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  10. SweetHome_Bama

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    I think you have a lot of people going to USADA because VADA actually has more stringent testing than the USADA.

    Crazy right?
     
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  11. Hermit

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    USADA has been reported to be around $100K vs $20K for VADA. That is way too much for most fighters.
     
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  12. SweetHome_Bama

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    According to Montoya, USADA has dropped their price to come in line with VADA prices since facing the comp from the two.
     
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  13. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Athletes need to make sure what they put in their body is not contaminated. There are products on the market that have a seal of approval for athletes.

    Here is one brand I saw not to long ago that advertises they are clean.

    http://www.true-athlete.com/

    On their site it reads:

    "Introducing True Athlete®, the next generation of sports nutrition. Created for fitness enthusiasts who live at the intersection of Performance and Integrity. Free of banned substances, and formulated with care by The Vitamin Shoppe to contain no artificial colors, flavors or sweeteners."


    Now as far as the Testers, I do think they should be careful to release results before they go over everything and allow the fighter to explain himself and look for an explanation. Its not as easy as Pass/Fail. Especially when your tests pick up even a spec of "foreign substance" that could have been contamination.

    Fighters should also be given an Adviser by the Testers to go over everything...which includes possible "legal" means of failing. Like it was talked about chemicals/hormones in food that "may" set it off as well as other things.


    If I was a clean athlete, I have to admit, I might be a bit paranoid of everything I digest...who is around my food, what's in my food, etc...even being clean because if you fail, you are screwed.
     
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  14. PrinceN

    PrinceN Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    who said they had more stringent testing? Conte was running his mouth and USADA shut it quick
     
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  15. Hermit

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    Good to know. I wonder if it would work if these guys had to give samples once a month and then random samples were tested. That might be a bigger hammer. Can't cost em much to **** in a damned cup.
     
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