Lucian Bute vs. Carl Froch RBR

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  1. illwill007

    illwill007 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Thanks man! I had no idea how I was going to watch it.
     
  2. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Froch expected the hometown intimidation factor to begin at the weigh in and said as much. He then looked like a fool and tried to make light of it I guess. This will be Froch's last chance to cheer for awhile.
     
  3. Badlok

    Badlok Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Froch will have the advantage tongiht but till then ..............
     
  4. Burebista

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    Carl Froch: No longer the one dimensional slugger of old, Froch is now more of an unorthodox boxer-puncher -- Awkward but effective rhythm confuses opponents -- Deceptively quick hands -- Good conditioning -- Tall, with long arms, he operates better from the outside than on the inside -- World class chin compensates for defensive deficiencies -- Carries hands low, looking to entice opponents into opening up -- Vastly underrated jab -- Despite common perception, is actually more effective backing up behind the jab, which he throws from a very obtuse angle, as opposed to applying relentless pressure and brawling -- Owner of good power, particularly with the right uppercut, although he hasn't finished an opponent since 2009 -- Distinct lack of footspeed and athleticism hurt him against Andre Ward last time out -- Can overwhelm an opponent with volume -- Supreme self confidence and mental toughness are his best assets.

    Lucian Bute: Slick, counter-punching technician -- Uses southpaw angles to full effect -- Tall and rangy, he has a versatile inside/outside game -- Takes advantage of opponent's mistakes -- Hand and footspeed compliment his technical ability -- Difficult to hit clean, can use his legs to motor himself out of danger or can employ upper body and head movement to avoid fire in close -- Good hand-eye coordination -- Straight left hand carries decent power -- Short left uppercut thrown to the head or body, is arguably his most valuable weapon -- Devastating body puncher -- Possesses an educated jab, which he uses to maintain distance or in setting up his straight left hand down the middle -- Excellent combination puncher -- Chin remains a question {was knocked out by current WBA and IBO middleweight champion Gennady Golovkin in the 2003 World Championships and was nearly finished by Librado Andrade during their first bout}


    SCENARIO:

    Nobody can deny that so far, Carl Froch has faced the tougher and more varied opposition than Lucian Bute, both at home and over the Atlantic -not many can compete with Froch in this regard. While Froch has always sought out the sternest competition available to him, Lucian Bute has somewhat been regarded as a safety first, stay-at-home fighter who has fought just once outside of his adopted home of Quebec {and that was in his birthplace of Romania}. It will be interesting to see then, just how Bute will respond to not having the luxury of the crowd in his corner for the very first time during his career. Rather ironically, Lucian Bute reminds me of one time Froch target and fellow Brit, Joe Calzaghe. Apart from his appearance and southpaw stance, Calzaghe was another fighter who was heavily criticized for not stepping outside of his comfort zone to test himself. However, as Calzaghe eventually did against both Hopkins and Jones {the first time Calzaghe stepped outside of Great Britain} I fully expect Lucian Bute to pass his overseas test with flying colours against Carl Froch on Saturday night.

    For the record, I consider this to be a contest between the second {Bute} and third best {Froch} super-middleweights in the world. In December of last year, Carl Froch lost a unanimous decision to the fighter most consider to be the best 168 pounder in the world {Ward} in a one-sided affair, with Ward dominating most of the rounds. Apart from the obvious problems faced in dealing with his opponent's superior athleticism and speed, Froch was also found wanting once Ward brought his superior inside game into the fight too. Froch had no answer for Ward's mauling and smothering at close quarters. Froch was unable to make any tactical adjustments towards the physical and stylistic advantages that his opponent posed.

    Here's Froch's problem. I believe he will be facing an opponent in Bute on Saturday, who holds even greater physical and stylistic advantages over him than was the case last time out when he was up against the number one man in the division, Andre Ward.

    Let's take a look at Carl Froch's stance. Froch is a self-professed Roy Jones fan and I believe his stance is a nod to this. Jones' right lead stance provided him with perfect counter-punching opportunities. By having his left hand low, and his right arm extended just in front of him towards his opponents left side, he was able to catch and parry an orthodox opponent's left jab, then using his ridiculous speed, land a counter straight over the top. This stance also allowed Jones to shift his body weight over to his right and land a left hook outside of his opponent's line of vision. This stance served a purpose for Jones.

    Needless to say, Carl Froch is not that type of fighter. When I see him operate out of this stance, I feel it is more out of tribute, than out of technical value. Unlike Froch, Roy Jones was always much faster than his opponents during his prime. Against a tricky southpaw like Bute -who is a lot faster and possesses better reflexes than Froch- this stance could prove to be suicide. Against a southpaw, the extended right hand is no longer in position to block or parry a jab -it is actually leaving an opening for a left hand, should the southpaw take a short step to his right, something Bute is very adept at doing {also one of Sergio Martinez' signature moves}. Also, take a look at Froch when he throws his left jab. Froch inadvertently negates his own best weapon against the southpaw, his straight right hand. Carl stands so side-on when throwing the jab, that his right shoulder is almost behind him, thus making it nigh on impossible to release his right hand without telegraphing it first. On a similar note, I also happen to think that Froch is wide open for a right hook from the southpaw stance. Because of Froch's body alignment {the right hand is coming outside of his line of vision} the right hook over the top of his left shoulder is something to look out for during the fight -Bute is capable of hurting an opponent with either hand, not just his left.

    As was mentioned earlier, Froch was unable to compete with Andre Ward on the inside, because of his distinct lack of in-fighting skills. What is worrying for Froch, is while Ward may be more effective in close than Bute, "Le Tombeur" may actually be more dangerous at this range. Ward is all about smothering and negating on the inside. He is similar to Bernard Hopkins in that regard. Lucian Bute however, is more like that of James Toney in close. Using his "Philly Shell" or half arm cover defense, Bute turns the right shoulder in, looking to deflect punches and create an opening to throw his left uppercut which, I believe to be, is one of the most devastating punches in all of boxing. Carl Froch is the owner of one of boxing's most durable chins, yet I have a feeling it is going to be put to the test on Saturday night.

    Even with the hometown advantage, it's difficult to see how Carl Froch wins this fight. I think Bute is the more polished fighter, regardless of the destination of the action. I can see Bute using his superior speed at a distance, outboxing him behind his jab, or using his better craft in close, picking Carl off with short, crisp counters on the inside. I believe Froch's best weapon is his jab, but against Bute, the timing of it has to be perfect, otherwise it's not beyond reason to believe Bute neutralizes the Froch jab early with his right shoulder, and doesn't even allow Froch into the fight. In Froch's favour, he does own a very good uppercut, if he can time it right -Bute's chin has not looked great on the few times it has been dented- and bring the crowd into the fight, then Bute could find himself in the trenches for the first time in his career. We are yet to see how Bute will react to true adversity. On the other hand, we have seen Froch come from behind before.

    Realistically though, apart from a few moments here and there, I'm expecting Bute to really cement his status as one of boxing's elite by putting on a tremendous display away from home. Bute is the more accurate puncher, he is faster, he is the better defender and he is the harder hitter -I believe he will be able to master Froch from the outside and on the inside for much of the fight. One other thing...we know Froch's chin is proven, but against Bute? Bute might just be the single hardest puncher Froch has ever faced who has the handspeed and accuracy that enables him to land with regularity.

    PREDICTION:

    Barring any controversy -namely a shocking home town decision in favour of Froch- I expect Bute to win a comfortable decision and -unlike Ward- even hurt Froch a few times along the way.

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    Was a cool article(break down) I read on a site.
     
  5. timeout

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    IB is going to do one for PAC vs BRadley in the next 15 min..
     
  6. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So let me get this straight. All I have to do is register with epix.com and I can watch the fight for free in a legal stream?
     
  7. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:

    Okay, it is about to time load my fridge with 8 Cran berry long drink and 12 Koff beer. They are ICE cold when the event is going to start. :smoke:cool:
     
  8. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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  9. dru626

    dru626 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    IB is the best poster around here. Thanks Bro !
     
  10. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dunno about you guys but I had that last one a clear 10-8 for the Cobra.
     
  11. PityTheFool

    PityTheFool Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What do you think they'll be like if Bute wins mate?:huh

    And this is a "warm up":bart
     
  12. LaidOut

    LaidOut Whaaaaat? Full Member

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    Want Froch to win, but this will be his toughest test yet (in spite of losing to Ward handily). Just hoping for an epic fight that goes the distance. Can you imagine how pumped up everyone will be by the 12th round? Can't wait.
     
  13. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There is only one, CARL THE COBRA EY EY!
     
  14. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Froch said it perfectly, it's hard to rate Bute when he only faced Bums, tonight we found out what Bute is all about
     
  15. king khan

    king khan Boxing Junkie banned

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    I wouldn't call Johnson a bum, even if he is faded. . .

    And Magee definitely isn't a bum. . . .


    But as far as that "next level" competition, the true A listers, he hasn't fought. . . So same concept, but Bute does deserve a LITTLE more credit than he's gotten for his competition faced, and how he's dealt with that competition. .

    Has ANYBODY ever shut Johnson out? Or came close to it?