Why did Bute looked so bad

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  1. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    Man, as a Bute fan, I don't want this match in the next couple of years.
    I said that in the rematch Bute has a little more than a puncher's chance. But he has very little to gain, a lot to lose. I am concerned for his physical and mental health right now.
    It has nothing to do with "balls" but I would like to see him in a balanced fight. Not necessarly a 50-50 one but a Green or Stieglitz would do.
    Pascal and Pavlik are too much for him right now. Maybe next year.
     
  2. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tactically, he stood in front of Froch's right too long instead of pivoting/moving to his right. He tried to sneak his jab under Froch's instead of over. He didn't follow up with the right hook after the left hand.
     
  3. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    Simply put, Bute never fought this quality of opposition before and it showed, and maybe it was a little bit of a bad style for him.
     
  4. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    He lost, and not only he lost, he got humiliated.

    I don't think he's overrated, or at least not THAT overrated as the fight showed.
    Something went terribly wrong with Bute's gameplan...standing right in front of Froch and trading punches with him was really stupid, bute is not that kind of guy and he should had known better, especially after the whole andrade fiasco.

    I don't think he should exercise an immediate rematch, physically he took a tremendous beating for 3 rounds but he can get over that; what is more concerning is the mental part...his self-confidence must be really low after that destruction.


    Bute fought extremely stupid and he payed heavily for it.
     
  5. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    No amount of tactics can teach you how to take a puch. It wasn't about bad offence but poor defence. The errors were both tactical and ...native.

    He should be put against boxers or slick non-hard-punchers because his style is very fan friendly.
    If he decides to come back in the ring I would like to see him against Green.
     
  6. RJJFan

    RJJFan Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Tactics can help you take less punches. His chin wasn't too bad, he was wobbled like any person would be when they take 3-5 punches in a row. If he kept moving to his right and threw the jab over Froch's, he would be able to keep out of Froch's right leads and not be bulled into the ropes.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Because in order to defeat Froch you need to be able to dictate the range and control the distance for large spots in the fight. Bute couldn't control it at all, and fell for practically every small trap that Carl set. Plus he was badly hurt by every power punch Froch landed, and he landed quite a lot--with both hands!

    Froch is simply a cut above.

    :smoke
     
  8. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Taylor, Kessler, Dirrel, Pascal and Abraham all took similar shots to Bute in the first 6 rounds of their fights with Froch and none looked anywhere near as shakey as Bue. Bute tasted one or two clean shots in the 3rd and 4th and went into his shell.
     
  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Agreed. No amount of tactics in the world was saving Bute once he ate a couple of power combinations. He was in a state of panic, as many people suggested would happen when he finally stepped up in class and faced adversity against an elite level super middleweight like The Cobra.

    :smoke
     
  10. Orbete

    Orbete Active Member Full Member

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    I'm affraid you're right. The first big punch Froch delievered was game over for Bute.
    It hurts a lot but I'll rewatch the match later this week. I think the first power punch that landed on Bute changed the entire match.

    PS: Today I can say it's a pity that he didn't fight Pavlik like he was supposed to. It could have put a lot of us much closer to reality.
     
  11. platnumpapi

    platnumpapi Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that was long over due for bootay. hopkins would have beat him 8rds to 4rds, ward would have won all 12 easy.and froch well he aint ****ing around so you saw what happen. i think bootay made a mistake by fighting an elite level fighter. he can bounce back by doing what he had been doing his whole career.
     
  12. saltypaws

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    I agree with much of what the OP said. Bute has top-level speed, power and athleticism, but his lack of composure was surprising. He seemed to completely unravel as soon as Froch landed anything halfway decent. Now, I'm a fan of Carl Froch and don't doubt that he knew exactly what he was doing in the fight, but I suspect there are less-talented and lower-rated SMWs than Bute who could have pulled through those early rushes from the Cobra.
     
  13. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This fight shows clearly why it's such a mistake for guys like Boytsov & Wilder to be fighting ridiculously lousy opponents.
     
  14. dazl1212

    dazl1212 kafir and proud Full Member

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    Lack of experience at that level, up against a guy who fought like a beast and fighting Froch with a stupid as **** game plan.
    He can come back from it people have come back from worse.
    He needs to get a new coach, preferably someone with with high quality fighters in there stable for him to spar with. He looked lost once Froch was not backed up by his power and then fell apart completely once he got inside.
     
  15. bamboleo

    bamboleo Still Proud to be Butard Full Member

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    Larouche is not that bad of a trainer and he sparred with Glen Johnson and the guy Ward prepared for the Forch fight. It's is his fault in the first place. I don't think he done nothing of what his team planed for him, I think everything gone out the window once he got hurt.