to all Bute fans !?

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  1. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    I'm so ashamed and I can't believe that Bute lost in a so embrrassing way.
    I rewatched the fight and I can't understand why Bute didn't circle / outbox Froch ; in with some fast powerful combos and get out from Froch's range , stay at distance and don't follow Froch . Bute was following Froch everywere in the ring.
    I mean Bute has some good skills, power, speed, footwork, ring inteligence and I can't understand why he didnt use them ! I know it's easy to say this from the front of your monitor but Bute managed very well with guys like Bika , Andrade II , Johnson.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2mEBrzaA6I[/ame]


    min 8:33 ??!! .... instead to retract and keep moving , Bute keeps his hands down and invite Froch to hit him on the ropes ....

    If Bute would've lost in front of Ward , Dirrell , Dawson or Hopkins , I would've understood and accepted that he lost in front of some skillful-speedy and talented guys but losing with the slowly-wide-non technical Froch I can't understand it ! :mad:

    What do you think it was the problem ?

    - uninspired game plan ?
    - gambling arrangements / fixed fight ?
    - Bute's fights from Canada were fixed to hype him ?
    - other things ?
     
  2. Carrera

    Carrera Active Member Full Member

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    Wrong game plan. Froch came in 120% and Bute was not ready and not properly trained by his camp on what to do defensively in situations like those. Froch was fighting with EVERYTHING. Bute never really felt defeat at this calibre.

    I think we will see a better rounded version of Bute from now on...
     
  3. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those excuses are worse than leg cramps. Bute just isn't as good as everyone thought he was and your clearly underrating froch. Yes defensively and technically froch is poor, however much like calzaghe these are far outweighed by many of Froch's other attributes. The game plan wasn't great, however it was inevitable the froch was going to land eventually and Bute felt every single shot, no head movement is like committing suicide against someone with the work rate of froch.
     
  4. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    He has no defence and no chin, none.

    He was in the ring with a guy who walked through his punches.
     
  5. cesar

    cesar New Member Full Member

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    I'm sure Bute will explain himself when the time is right (maybe even today at 6PM EEST at his press conference).

    I think it was a combination of not being prepared for this level of opposition coupled with bad tactics and a choke. I blame Larouche more than I blame Bute.
     
  6. MaliBua

    MaliBua Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I swear to God i am honest but Bute had one of the weakest punch resistance what I have ever seen. Damn... every power punch by Carl rocked Bute even they did not land clean. :-( And how Bute reacted to them was not good he got stiffened like deer in the headlights.

    I dont know what makes it like that, it is his physique where his frames looks like tapeworm with those narrow shoulders and long neck.:huh

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m0o9wGrjPs[/ame]

    Look Butes profile from 0.5 on compared to Froch.
     
  7. knighty

    knighty Active Member Full Member

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    The problem is this. Bute is a better fundemental boxer than Froch like you imply. But Froch is the better fighter , warrior , has more grit and killer instinct , has a bigger fighting heart , more world class experience and more physically domineering. And the biggest thing from a bute fan , like yourself , grossly underated. Sometimes you just need more than better boxing skills than your opponent.
     
  8. jack365

    jack365 Member Full Member

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    Its strange to compare his fights with Froch and Johnson. Im not an expert by any means. Johnson, for all his reputation of a granite chin, looked as if he was bothered by Butes power, Froch wasnt. Or was Johnson just too slow to capitalize?
     
  9. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not sure about his defense, but I think you're right about his chinny chin chin. Some of those shots didnt even look particularly concussive to me, yet they seemed to send Bute into full retreat.
    I also think you're right about Froch absorbing Bute's shots. I guess it can be a little demoralizing when you're a power puncher and your opponent is shaking your best work off. Although, you could tell they were hurting Froch a bit, just not as much as they should have.

    As for the OP, I'd say your guy was fighting fine until he got hurt in the 3rd. After that it was a different fight. He wasn't inviting Froch in along the ropes, he was getting hurt.
     
  10. Rangersfan1982

    Rangersfan1982 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To put it simple. It was a boy against a man. Froch took his soul. I give all the credit in the world for coming over here to fight. Not many would. But in all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if Bute never fought again.
     
  11. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think a bit of both ole Saucy Jack. Although after the fight Froch did say that Bute's punches were rattling him. He just never let it show.
     
  12. jack365

    jack365 Member Full Member

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    Fair enough, Bute just looked so easy to hit against Froch. If Johnson had taken the slightest of gambles then Bute was for the taking in that fight.
     
  13. flashy k.o

    flashy k.o Supporter of E.E fighters Full Member

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    I'm agree that Bute has a weak chin and no punch resistance. He can't take a punch , period. Carl was landing some awkward non-clean shots and yet Bute was staggered. But I can't understand why Bute wasn't in and out with Froch ; circle him ; stay out of Froch's range attack ?!:patsch I mean Bute has a good footwork / body movement, and speed and all he did was to chase Froch into the ring .... :?

    I think Bute's game plan was to wait Froch to open on the attack and then counter him, but it was very very wrong !
     
  14. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    8:33 was the defining moment in the bout. Bute hits Froch with a hard shot. Froch takes the shot but is pissed off and retaliates. Bute then decides to drop his hands, wave Froch on and try and counter him on the ropes. But he winds up just covering up and taking a beating.

    Was it a mental lapse? Did he think that he could effectively counter off the ropes? Was it a kind of bravado-gone-wrong put on for the cameras and raucous fans in the arena?

    Hard to know. But what we learned is that Bute can't fight very well off the ropes.

    Maybe Bute had been studying this fight?

    go to 4:35 to see Dirrell fight off the ropes and counter Froch.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1hHNbHGegQ&feature=relmfu[/ame]
     
  15. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Those of you saying it wasn't down to his defence, I'm pretty sure froch hit him with 41% of his shots. To me there lies the problem, no head movement at all.