Does Froch now have a better record than Calzaghe?

He has a better resume, not a better record.

A win in a re-match against Kessler or Ward and we're getting there.

It's kind of a moot point, but Kessler didn't beat Froch on my scorecard in the first fight.

 

Calzaghe is still ahead by a fair margin for me. Froch could end up with the better record and I personally hope he does. Rematches with Kessler and Ward. Maybe even Nathan Cleverley as a fairwell fight, as Froch isn't going to be around for much longer and if Cleverley still holds the title then why not?

But he got a very dubious decision against Dirrell. A loss against a poorer Kessler than the one Calzaghe comfortably beat. Absolutely schooled by Ward. Losing on points against a past prime Taylor. A Taylor who has done nothing at 168. Abraham has done nothing at 168. Johnson has done nothing at 168.

Calzaghe wasted his talents. I doubt anyone thinks otherwise. He should and could of made the fights against his peers. Hatton/Khan/Froch were able to do so, so why didn't he. He spent too long being happy as a world title holder instead of world champion and all in all left it too late to make a name for himself.

But give me a 10 year undefeated reign against numerous proven opposition, claiming the undisputed crown near the end by defeating 2 undefeated champions and rising to 175 to win the LH crown against atg/legend/future hof.

 

Lmao ,

Career middle weigt Taylor was absolutely owning Carls arse until about the last two minutes of their fight when he got caught with a Hail Mary shot to rob him of the win

Arthur Abraham another career middle who Miranda destroyed .

Dirrell was and is utter **** who was really unlucky to lose after making Carl look amature at times during their fight ,

Kessler ( a genuine but faded 168lber ) beat him no doubt

Stay at home Ward ****ing battered him comfortably in every facet of the sport and was head & shoulders above
him ,

Them Bute who was ****ing out on his arse v a fighter of Andrade's level .

Get real lads, if any of you think Frochy's record is in anyway shape or form equal to Calzaghes or Frochy is anywhere near Calzaghe in boxing terms ain't dealing with a full deck , now I like Carl as much as I liked Joe and was very proud of what he done Sat night but some of you guys need a reality check if you think Froch is on Calzaghes level .

 

This is such a shockingly stupid post I'm not sure how to respond.

 

The bit in bold- really?!

The bit in italics- Look in the mirror first mate.

Edit: You can't see italics in a quote so second bit in bold instead.

 

Josey was overtly negative describing Froch's opposition, which makes his argument look biased, but I agree with his sentiments TBH.

 

Honestly mate respond honestly and tell me where I'm going wrong .

 

Exactly mate overly negative post on my part but it seems the norm here for the key board warriors to do it every time they post , Carl had after a boring start exceeded all expectations I had for his career but it seems now he beats Bute he is Robinson reincarnated ,

 

Yeah also the only reason Calzaghe fought Manfredo was because american tv said the winner was to fight Jermain Taylor but sadly Taylor hide behind the dollar sign just as Hopkins did in 2002b y backing out of his biggest pay day and on home turf too.

Your right Ottke would never leave germany he was **** scared to fight Calzaghe, but also he indirectly damaged Calzaghe record by cheating World Champs Brewer and Byron Mitchell who shortly after fought calzaghe, but because of the losses to Ottke by both boxers Calzaghes wins over them dont appear as much.

Too much harshness directed at Calzaghe, Pavlik had 2 offers from Calzaghe when he was undefeated but turned them down then started crowing after Joe had signed the fight with Jones Jr.

Ottke, Hopkins, Jones , Taylor , Pavlik all in their Prime wanted nothing to do with Calzaghe, even Reid turned Calzaghe down when he was champ only after losing his crown did he want to know.

 

Tell me where I got it wrong d Taylor ?

 

It's not like Taylor was a former light-middle - he was only 8lbs bellow and looked back to his pre-Hopkins best for much of the fight. But you're discrediting how Froch's pressure and body-punching wore Jermain down. Hail mary? Not at all - the finish was brutally effective. He got his man going and he did him in.

Ah revisionist history! The round where Abraham got his jaw broken was his most dominant and, even after that, he was able to outbox Miranda. The only destruction was when Abraham executed him in the fourth round of their rematch.

It's amateur. But yes, Dirrell did make Froch look silly when he was doing everything he could to avoid a fight. It was a close fight that I felt Froch lost, but come on - it wasn't him who didn't want to engage.

One of the top three SMWs beat Froch in a close (but clear) fight. And that's evidence of what? Only two men have beaten the guy.

He did, but Ward is exceptional in many regards. No shame in losing to an elite level talent - if anything Froch did better than Kessler did.

Who he'd handled comfortably for 11 of 12 rounds. Then demolished in a rematch 13 months later. Revisionist history, again. And even if you think that, surely the way Froch took him out is worthy of respect?

There's not much between them if you approach it objectively. Calzaghe has two major wins: Kessler and Hopkins. Froch lacks something at that level, but the quality and frequency of his competition at the top level brings its own respect. The weakest of the batch is the one you haven't mentioned: Pascal. Unproven at the time, and drubbed by a 47-year old since.

Calzaghe's best opponents are very spread out and some of his defences were utterly shameful. But there's some quality in there. Froch has less fights, but his step up to championship class has been relentless, consistent and always competitive. Even in losing widely to Ward he was pulling rounds back at the end.

You've been very unfair on Froch, I'd say. I do think Calzaghe is the BETTER fighter, but I'd say Froch is the more PROVEN.

 

Good grief , and you thought my post was shocking . I've been if anything kind to Froch .

 

Let's examine Calzaghe's last eight opponents and put them in the same light you did...

Mario Veit - had already beaten him, not much to shout about anyway
Evans Ashira - career middleweight, not much good, never beat anyone of note
Jeff Lacy - Hype-job, over-rated as a puncher and over-stated as a win
Sakio Bika - decent value, but limited and has lost every time he's stepped up
Peter Manfredo - career middleweight, best known for losing to Alfonso Gomez, stopped in humiliating fashion and never beaten a world-level opponent, including a totally shot Lacy
Mikkel Kessler - decent win, but shown up by how easily Ward beat him
Bernard Hopkins - old and still got put on his arse and had to settle for an SD
Roy Jones Jr - a great win... ten years ago. All Joe did was slap around a name for 12 rounds and he still couldn't stop the glass-chinned legend.

See how easy it is? Completely unfair and unrepresentative of Joe's late career. I'm a big fan of Joe, but you've been unduly harsh to Carl to push that agenda.

 

Look at the board for the last three nights if you want to see how easy it is to dismiss an entire career and also you might want to look at the top of the board to my response to Poster Kos ,:good

 

Calzaghe was the better fighter by far but he would cut off his testicles with a rusty spoon to have Froch's resume.

Joe waited too long to become a world name. But i agree he is the only one capable of beating Ward.