The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

A ******* calling someone else a fanboy. The irony

 

i can accept that if you *****s are the remaining 4.99% :good

 

:roll::-(

 

Ohhh you mean kinda like those 1000 dollar Zinc and Iron Vitamins Shane was taking? Get real if USADA is going to conduct test or any organization is going to conduct testing they are not responsible for anything more or less than the test.

Fighters know there is a banned substance list available from the commission. its your responsibility as a fighter to know these things as you are responsible for you and your camp.

 

That's true, but you're innocent until proven guilty. People on this forum can jump to any conclusions they would like. However, the authories, and responsible journalists and other enties within the media need to adhere to principal of innocent until proven guilty. The USADA has done nothing wrong. You can come up with as many conspiricy theories as you would like. For practical purposes though, they're clean.

 

Oh **** that bull****. You act like you've never ordered something to find out that it's not in stock from the company days later. You don't know WTF they told Golden Boy. They might've said "it's too short notice but we'll try our best" or maybe Golden Boy didn't want to spend 100k cause Winky ****ing Wright wanting the tests when he's probably not getting more than 500k to fight. Who knows?

Some of you people deal in complete black and white and have almost no sense of how the real world works sometimes.

 

WADA and the State Athletic Commission are two different entities. The USADA is a business. The have standards and principles to which to adhere. If they don't believe that they can properly conduct testing procedures, they have every right to turn down the request.

 

Wigger please... Your from Arkansas.. You let Goats lick PB off your balls! :hi:

 

So did Jenna ever give you an E-Kiss for threatening to beat up everyone on the forum that said anything bad about her?

 

Yes they are but banned substances are banned substances kid. so regardless you have a set of rules set forth by the commission, you have VADA who does CIR 100% of the time and so far is 2 out of 3.

While you have USADA who apparently doesnt run the same strict method of testing, which we dont know if they are getting away with cheating or not.
Bottom line we live in an era with designer drugs, they are designed to hide in your system so that you can beat the test, we need the best method of testing available to combat against this which obviously seems to be VADA.

This is what you said

Some are illegal substances, some are legal substances that many people use in their everyday life. If The USADA didn't have time to properly educate the fighters on what is banned, one of them could take a banned substance without the intent to cheat. A positive drug test would have to be revealed, and the fighter's credibility would suffer.


Bottom line here, if a athlete is putting stuff in his body, its his responsibility to know whats on the banned list for the commission and for the testing agency. and if he doesnt know whats in the vitamins he is taking its his responsibility to find out before he puts it in his body.

I am sorry but if you test positive, and your career is tarnished you can not blame anybody but yourself you know the rules.

I disagree with what your saying entirely

 

Bob has a lot of influence but PAC makes his own choices. Bob didn't want PAC to fight Floyd but PAC wanted it so they began negotiations. Of course we are 3 yrs down the road and still no fight. But Bob isn't the only one to blame and in fact...FLoyd bears most of the blame.

From his unique ways of negotiating a big fight by throwing out insults, accusations and demands to demanding unrealistic financial proposals in splitting up the monies this fight will surely bring in. At the end of the day those kids of tactics in any negotiations leads to "FAILED" negotiations.

There's no doubt in my mind that Bob is taking advantage of PAC in terms of his split as a promoter. All these crazy numbers like Bob taking 80% leaving PAC with 20% is laughable but the idea is right.....Bob is collecting more than his fair share. It's just not 80/20 or anything close to it.

 

The State commission has a different banned substance list than WADA. You could be taking a substance that is allowed by the commission, and banned by WADA.

I'm not even sure what this has to do with the discussion.

How much experience and knowledge do you have with CIR testing? I highly doubt you have the level of expertise neccesary to say which entity has the better testing procedures.

Which you're basing off of what knowledge and expertise exactly? Or are you just simply going off something that you read in a single article or two?

Again, how much experience do you have with this sort of testing? Because the USADA has been doing it for over a decade. They know how to run their testing. You're entitled to your opinion. However, you need to realize that you're entire argument is based off of speculation, and incomplete information.

That's perfectly fine, you can disagree with what you want.

 

Prove to us that the Commissions and Vada have two different list of banned substances

 

I said the commisions and WADA(which both VADA and The USADA use). I'll give you one prime example; xylocaine is banned by The NSAC, and is not banned by WADA. So it's pretty obvious that their banned substance lists aren't the same.

 

Good answer but.....

There are many things that would linger in the system that aren't going away in the 6/8 week time frame of the testing so the two weeks seems arbitrary.

It is the fighters JOB to know what is on the banned substance list. I'm fairly confident there is a standardized list that the commissions use and fighters are already subject to these restrictions and should already be prepared to test for them.


It lends credibility to the C&D letter accusations. It would be reasonable for GBP/Floyd to ask to quash the positives under this assumption that maybe he just isn't educated enough on things he should already know. This simply opens the door for a few extra weeks of 'cycle off' time knowing the first results can be passed off due to 'ignorance of what was required' or taking 'contaminated' substances. (I'm not making the case that I think Floyd tested positive for ANYTHING but pointing out where this logic leads. Indeed if Berto is exonerated then VADA is going to take a hit for being overly aggressive and not balanced in their approach but this gets back to having limited testing periods as apposed to year round testing. Zero tolerance is not the way to go either.)

To be honest, I initially thought your answer was good and reasonable but it falls apart because it isn't year round testing/education. It is still on the condensed time scale like the two weeks. Bottom line, it is the fighters JOB to know what they shouldn't be taking.