Translation: Juan Manuel Marquez breaks down Froch-Bute in the Golpe A Golpe Ring

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  1. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    The original video can be found here: http://espndeportes.espn.go.com/videohub/video/clipDeportes?id=1537063&cc=3888

    Enjoy.

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    Announcer Dude: We’ve arrived at the most painful of segments on Golpe A Golpe, the Ring, here with Juan Manuel Marquez to talk a little bit about what we’ve just seen in the victory of Carl Froch over Lucian Bute. Lucian Bute is a southpaw…

    JMM: That’s right.

    Announcer Dude: And with lots of ability, he wanted to implement his jab, utilize his legs, so as to impose himself on Carl Froch. But, he got connected on, he got pressured, and the fight was over.

    JMM: Yes. Lucian Bute is a fighter who’s always moving, out of his southpaw stance, utilizing the distance, and Carl Froch is also, with his long arms, throwing bolados (looped overhand shots) with high impact. He landed one, and it’s there that he hurts Lucian Bute (mimes overhand right). He connects the overhand right, goes to the ropes (pressures Announcer Dude), and here’s where Carl Froch wouldn’t let him go (throws combinations against the ropes). That’s where he landed and Lucian Bute was left without even his guard up, when the referee stepped in. We saw a Bute that, hmm, lacked use of his legs, lacked lateral steps, utilization of distance as we’d seen him done in past fights, but he was hit very hard by Carl Froch.

    Announcer Dude: What was Lucian Bute attempting to do when laying on the ropes, Juan? If I have an aggressor who’s letting go 30 or 40 shots in one go…with the hands down, we didn’t even see any waist movement or bobbing and weaving…he simply stood there and got dominated by the Brit.

    JMM: I commented on that overhand right on the part of Carl Froch. That was a very strong right he landed, but as you say Jorge, he then had no guard on the ropes-

    Announcer Dude: Yes, with his hands down.

    JMM: -and without moving his waist. When a fighter is hurt, what he does is grab, or move the waist. So what Carl Froch does is keep attacking, and Lucian Bute doesn’t do anything. He lets his hands drop and Carl Froch goes at it with the big spoon (takes full advantage) and throws everything. That’s why I think the referee, with seeing no guard and no answer, stopped the fight.

    Announcer Dude: And it’s a strong punch Carl Froch has, because it was a blow that changed the fight. He hurts him, and then doesn’t let him go.

    JMM: Yes, but careful, because Carl Froch gives up a lot of technique, and is very open. I think that Carl Froch throws the right, but then throws his punches from down here, with his face up! (Does hilarious impression of Froch’s technique, Announcer Dude laughs). It’s a big mistake, because if the punch wasn’t strong in this case from the part of Carl Froch onto Lucian Bute, what Bute can do is counter-punch him, because he throws the right, but then throws shots like this (repeats imitation), with his chin practically uncovered, with his head tilted up from the neck, and it’s very dangerous for any type of fighter to fight that kind of fight.

    Announcer Dude: So, a completely (badly) habituated offense, unilateral in its implementation; only concerned with what I’m going to attack, not with what’s coming back.

    JMM: That’s right. Always, when there’s an action, there’s a reaction. There are a lot of fighters that forget that. When the fighter’s hurt, that’s where misfires happen; the shots he throws, the looping shots suddenly thrown by the one already (about to be) knocked out, suddenly makes you end up on the canvas.

    Announcer Dude: With even more potency.

    JMM: The one who was about to be knocked out ends up winning by knockout. And so, watch, be careful always.
     
  2. ajackman1

    ajackman1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marquez will make a great commentator
     
  3. elninochino

    elninochino Cutman Full Member

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    good breakdown by jmm
     
  4. Lee Marvin

    Lee Marvin Guest

    your a G for putting this up, JMM would make one hell of a trainer. the things he knows are second nature
     
  5. Smokin' Joe

    Smokin' Joe ~ Dinamita Irlandés ~ banned

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    Froch be throwin' bolados :hat


    Cheers again Bogo.
     
  6. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    True and I think he'd make a great trainer as well. His style is all about great all around technique like so many of Beristain's pupils. I could see him being very good at developing fighters if he chose to go in that direction. You could imagine, with the wealth of knowledge and big fight experience he has, that JMM would be great to have in your corner if you were a fighter.
     
  7. Jordan_Davies

    Jordan_Davies Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I love reading the Marquez translations (not a big spanish speaker :lol:)

    He is so technical when he breaks down fighters styles and notices little things that most boxing fans and even fighters are blind to

    Ive personally learnt more by listening to Juan than I have from my old boxing coach. He is going to make a great trainer one day
     
  8. pityforbute

    pityforbute RIP Johnny Full Member

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    Bogo,we are not worthy.
    And as much as I'm a Froch fan,you can imagine Juan looking at him and saying;"Could I get up to 168?"
     
  9. dendy

    dendy no easy way out Full Member

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    thanks for this!

    never tired of reading JMM breakdowns..

    i want to see his froch "face up" impression:lol:
     
  10. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    Jmm is good at lots of things, and knows more things about boxing than most other fighters can ever hope to know...

    What im curious about with JMM is this.....how come he got such a pasting from Mayweather? he knows stuff and has all the answers to all the questions......but had no answer whatsoever for FMjnr:huh

    was it jus cos he was 2-3 weight divisions shy of his fighting weight for the first time? or just in it for a payday?(I dont think so)

    I mean to say, he came in looking like an old guy as far as his body looked on fight night against Floyd, and yet came in looking like a beastly young man physically speaking against Pacman.....wossup wif dat?


    The only thing i can think of is that his deep seated lust for revenge for Pacman drove him to do great things.

    But he looked like a lost child against mayweather, so was that deep seated passion lacking against Floyd, and therefore caused him to flounder like he did?

    I am not a hater. Just looking for answers that others can supply.:good
     
  11. Leavemealone

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  12. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    First off, everything about Mayweather is a stylistic challenge for Marquez, weight class aside. His reach, speed, defensive guard, and ability to counter make it much harder for Marquez to set up his shots and bait counters himself, who isn't nearly as effective as an aggressor.

    Then of course is the weight issue. Leading up to the fight, Nacho expressed worries about his speed, and how they needed to correct it. After the fight, further laments about his weight were revealed, and that his stone throwing ruined his flexibility. Juan looked a bit slow, but most of all stiffer than usual up top, and quite flat footed. With Pacman, he had an expert strength and conditioning coach that greatly changed the way he looked and operated in the ring. And of course, he's fought Manny 3 times and had a perfectly nullifying skill-set on top of that.

    Prime for prime, Mayweather should still be favored, but Marquez has a shot. If he can feint and land over the top, and follow up with a combination before bobbing and weaving out backwards or laterally, then he can get past Floyd's reach and penetrate the guard from time to time. He'd need to be patient but also lively. Many think Marquez, despite losing practically every round, did better than many of Floyd's opponents by being able to land one or two significant shots/combos per round, instead of landing nothing of note by the later rounds as most opponents end up doing. This video (not the best quality) actually shows some of the success Marquez was having in that fight with elements of that strategy, which I believe would have carried him farther had he been younger, lighter, and maybe against a more aggressive Floyd. When they fought, anytime Marquez got close enough, Floyd would either lean on him or muscle him back onto the outside with his forearm.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuZvo6IF528[/ame]
     
  13. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    Thanks heaps for the insight mate.:thumbsup

    After I last posted, I thought of the strength and conditioning stuff, and remebered JMM saying they had approached methods for weight gaining in the wrong way.:thumbsup
     
  14. Prince.

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  15. kwilson71

    kwilson71 #MAYDAY Full Member

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    Bogotazo you are my hero

    thanks man