Better Top 5 Wins at SMW: Froch or Calzaghe?

Terrible answers full of bias hate because Calzaghe beat you favourite fighter.
You're right numbers and stats favour Calzaghe.

As said the answers you gave are terrible so if we look at the fighters.
Pascal couldnt get a fight with Miranda due to bad SMW performances, Johnson has a dreadful SMW resume and was boiling down from LHW whilst in his 40s, Abraham was coming off a loss and has said himself he cant compete at SMW and is moving back to MW. Taylor was considered shot by some. I dont agree with that, but he had just suffered 2 losses in his last 3 fights and was KOd by a MW in his next fight who claims he cant compete at SMW. Dirrell has potential but hasnt proven a thing yet, so you have no claim to anything there.

So lets stick with the facts

- Jean Pascal - No notable SMW wins
- Glen Johnson - No notable SMW wins and was 0-5 in his last 5 world title fights
- Andre Dirrell - Then no notable SMW wins. Dirrells only win of note was a DQ over a former MW when out cold
- Jermain Taylor - Was 1-2 in his last 3 fights
- Arthur Abraham - coming off a loss and unable to compete at SMW
None of these fighters have ever won a world title at SMW

At SMW Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Reid and Mitchell all have far better SMW resumes than any of the fighters listed for Froch and had all been world champs at the weight and proven.

- Mikkel Kessler - WBA/WBC champ on a winning run of 5 SMW world title fights
- Jeff Lacy - IBF champ and on a winning run of 5 SMW world title fights
- Chris Eubank - was 13-2-2 in SMW world title fights and with a very good resume
- Robin Reid - former WBC champ who looked unlucky years later against Ottke and beat undefeated B Magee now WBA INT champ
- Byron Mitchell - former 2 time WBA SMW champ


Very clearly Calzaghe

 

Its hard to say as until a fighter steps up we dont know

Lacy beat Vanderpool, Tsypko, Sheika, Pemberton etc
Now we know Tsypko was of a similar level to B Magee who was close on the cards with Froch before being stopped. Only a KD made the card a bit wider.
Lacy dominated Reid, who is a far better more proven SMW than Abraham or Dirrell for that, and Lacy dominated a far better more accomplished fighter than Dirrell or Abraham

Point is it proves that speculation counts for 0 but results do

 

You should not expect too much of Dirrell if he ends up in the ring with a big and strong guy that goes after him. He did a great job on AA, but at the end of the day AA is a blown up MW, and even then Dirrell did fold mentally at the end.

 

Cris Eubak was shot as hell.
Mitchell was a bum.

 

is there any doubts now?

 

No there cant be. Calzaghe beat too many top SMWs for a few good wins to come close to beating that

- Jean Pascal - No notable SMW wins
- Glen Johnson - No notable SMW wins and was 0-5 in his last 5 world title fights
- Andre Dirrell - Then no notable SMW wins. Dirrells only win of note was a DQ over a former MW when out cold
- Jermain Taylor - Was 1-2 in his last 3 fights
- Arthur Abraham - coming off a loss and unable to compete at SMW
None of these fighters have ever won a world title at SMW
Lucian Bute - IBF champ. A good win for Froch and his best in my opinion, but not better than Lacy. Lacy beatt tougher comp

At SMW Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Reid and Mitchell all have far better SMW resumes than any of the fighters listed for Froch and had all been world champs at the weight and proven.

- Mikkel Kessler - WBA/WBC champ on a winning run of 5 SMW world title fights
- Jeff Lacy - IBF champ and on a winning run of 5 SMW world title fights
- Chris Eubank - was 13-2-2 in SMW world title fights and with a very good resume
- Robin Reid - former WBC champ who looked unlucky years later against Ottke and beat undefeated B Magee now WBA INT champ
- Byron Mitchell - former 2 time WBA SMW champ


Very clearly Calzaghe


Just look at B Mitchell alone
2 time WBA SMW champ
He beat
- #1 Liles linear champ (something Ward is praised for doing) by KO. Liles was on a winning run of 8 world title fights with a win over M Nunn
- drew with future 2 weight champ Girard
- beat Siaca twice who went on to become WBA SMW champ who beat Mundine
- beat former MW champ JC Green who beat a prime Joppy before Joppy was beaten by Trinidad or Hopkins.

Mitchell only lost a debateable SD to Ottke and was only ever beaten
clearly once as a SMW by Calzaghe.

Then Calzaghe had a very good wins over Woodhall and Veit and beat Brewer who were all SMW champs and world rated. Woodhall also has a better SMW resume than the fighters listed for Froch above and Veit arguably does also.
Then you can throw in all of the top 10 rated SMWs in Bika, Starie, Manfredo, Mkertchyan, Sheika. Thats not including Calzaghes LHW victories

 

these calzaghe wins are all cherry picked nobodies and opportunities over former decent opponents, bar Kessler. Veit was a **** champion. Woodhall was ok. Eubank was decnet but was a short term semi retired stand in suffering from crash weight loss on that night, and he still pounded Zaghes who was in his best shape.

Its obvious to everyone except a fan that Froch has better opposition. Amazing that anyone can mention Bika and Manfredo or even Zaghes old men wins - they need their head seeing to for even considering them as names. Best ignore anyone who posts **** like that. Froch wouldnt even bother turning up such **** opposition in a title fight unless he had no other choice.

Calzaghe still has the longest run as a SMW champion for now, and will probably keep that for a good few years, but its a good thnig he has never claimed to face consistent good opposition, at least hes not as bad a liar as some posters on this forum.

 

While I would vote Calzaghe based on the two respective lists, I feel it is unfair to take Bute off of Froche's list because it was in 2012. You should be able to look at both their careers in their entirety. Whether Bute makes it onto Froche's list is also up for discussion, although he's better than Glen johnson who is a good fighter, but Bute does Froche more favors when comparing careers. The fact that Froche found Bute's passport for him is amazing enough.

 

Veit did **** all as a SMW, won the title and then lost it shortly after and you know it. Worst champ in its history, paper thru and thru. dont list crap fighters he beat and say they are all wonderful. Thats like saying Bika and Manfredo the tv com fighters are great - oh yeah thats your other point... so no wonder you think Veit is some super fighter if you think tv show fighters are world class. You know for a fact that Pascal and Dirrel and Johnson would turn Veit over, forget the weight divisions and look at what they CAN and CANT do.

well yes i guess if you think that tv show fighters are world beaters then by that standard Veit is ok. But thats double standard by you clearly and blatantly.

PS you do yourself no favours by cutting and pasting your old flawed posts and reusing them in the wrong place.

 

Fine thats your opinion, but tell me what has Dirrell done thats better than Veit. You rate Dirrell as a good win so tell me what has he done thats better to this -
45-1 fighter who had some solid victories behind him and a world int title, and was top 10 rated.
Veit had beaten undefeated Dziarra who wasnt a great fighter but did go on to beat L Mock and undefeated M Oral who would go on to challenge MW champs A Abraham and S Sylvester recently.
Veit had also beaten beaten undefeated Guerrero for the European union title.
Veit beat future title challenger Salem and Mock.
Veit also beat world rated C Brewer with an educated destructive 9th round KO.
A note on Veit. He only ever lost to world champs or fighters who became world champs and has victories over Mock, Salem, Perdermo (a future Kessler challenger), Brewer when Brewer was world rated and Veit beat undefeated Braehmer who became WBO LHW champ

When Veit beat undefeated 27-0 Braehmer, Braehmer had a better resume at SMW then alot of these fighters you note.

So instead of ducking, tell me how at SMW all these fighters did so much more than Veit

 

If they are so old and flawed, you look pretty thick if you cant pick holes in them