Better Top 5 Wins at SMW: Froch or Calzaghe?

Yep thats why I mainly highlight the Kessler win. Pascal didn't do anything at SMW apart from unlegitimate belts and had his success at LHW. Dirrell's best win is a blown up MW which still he was crumbling during the end of the fight. Even when taking the Bute fight in account that still isn't better than Calz win over Kessler.

 

Dirrell will achieve nothing. He's currently wasting away his prime years. One of the most overrated fighters on these boards. Seriously, why hasn't he fought again since December?

 

Has fragile weirdo popkins already left the forum in tears yet again ? :roflatsch

 

froch has a case talking about if he has better wins at 168, but i wouldn't back prime froch against prime calzaghe 100 times out of 100.

froch made the most out of the opportunities he was given, and deserves a lot of respect for that, but he wasn't in calzaghe's league.

jermaine taylor was an excellent boxer, but an excellent boxer with a serious flaw - but it still sets a blueprint for what calzaghe would have done to froch.

at least froch can claim to beat the man in his prime who dethroned bernard hopkins....and not the man who waited until hopkins (and jones) were shadows before he went to fight them.

 

Bailey's logic is so flawed it's laughable.

Surely Pascal going on to win the WBC title at 175 and defeat the previously undefeated Dawson AFTER the loss to Froch is better than Lacy's complete non-career after Calzaghe slapped him half to death?

No?

Also, completely ignoring what fighters have done in other weight divisions and did afterwards is frankly laughable.

So Glen Johnson went from being a good middle, to being a journeyman at super middle, to being good at 175?

:roflatsch

 

You have to look at what a fighter has done in a division and where they were in a career.
I havent forgotten anything, look at the example below with Johnson and consider J Taylor was 1-2 in his last 3 fights with clear losses and lost straight after Froch. You seem to overlook that.

No flawed logic at all, look below and consider G Johnson
The term SMW is very relevant as some fighters are not very good in certain weight divisions.
Consider G Johnson who you rate as a win for Froch is a world class LHW, but look at him at SMW and it is dreadful

Just a note on G Johnsons SMW career -
In 14 SMW fights Johnson has lost 8 of them.
Johnson has lost at SMW to -

M Sosa who had 5 losses and 2 draws, and lost his next 2 fights after beating Johnson
Kiwanuka who had 3 losses and 2 draws, had lost his last 2 fights coming into his fight with Johnson and his fight after Johnson
Ottke 16-0 who in fairness was an outstanding SMW boxer
Vanderpool 27-1 who lost his next fight, but in fairness that was at MW to Hopkins and Vanderpool had a good run after
Branco 38-4-2 who was a world class SMW and became WBA LHW champ
Sheika who was 19-1 and lost his next fight, though in fairness that was to Calzaghe.
Froch
Bute

The SMWs that Johnson has managed to beat
Campas 3-20-4 coming off of only 2 losses and won his next fight
Watson 24-16-1, Johnson was his last fight
Renteria 9-23-5 coming in, whos last 10 fight record before facing Johnson was 0-8-2
Zimmerman 15-2-0 coming in, who had lost his previous fight and the one after
A Green 29-2-0 coming in and Johnsons biggest SMW victory

Its not impressive now is it. Please spare me the robbery talk.
If any rated SMW losses to Johnson it wont look good on their resume

Johnson was something like 0-5 in world title fights at LHW entering the Froch fight as well as about 15 losses.


But you must rate Froch fighting 1-2 (in his last 3 fights) as a solid SMW where he was 1-1 in his SMW ventures and had lost his last MW fight before that and lost his next SMW fight.
Taylor tried his luck at SMW, couldnt do a thing and is now a MW again. So whats the flawed logic when you look at that and Johnson

 

You could argue that Brewer was a better win than Lacy

Calzaghe :

Mikkel Kessler : WBA/WBC unified champion, has gone onto beat Froch. 3 times world champ

Charles Brewer : Former IBF champion, fought Sven Ottke twice, robbed twice.

Byron Mitchell : First stoppage loss of his career, also lost his WBA belt to Ottke in a robbery

Robin Reid : Former Olympian and WBC champ, lost his belt to Malinga who has upset many people in the past including Nigel Benn. came to fight with Calzahghe in his prime

Chris Eubank : Former WBO middleweight and supermiddleweight champion, 2 time WBO cruiserweight challenger. Knocked down twice. slightly removed from prime, replacement for steve collins

Calzaghes record isnt as bad as people make out to be

 

Glen clearly beat Ottke, but I can see why you'd ignore that or rebrand the cheat as a legit win if it supports your argument.

Still Ottke isnt a great example of a good win, but Glen was a SWM champ in reality. Cant really get above that level, except for unifying the title entirely.

 

Even if your correct Froch's wins are still better on the balance.

 

Starie had already beaten Woods (who was a novice at the time) before ''fighting'' Calzaghe, whilst Woodhall retired after being stopped by him. Woodhall had a good pedigree, especially as an amateur, it's a good win for him.

A win over a fighter obviously looks better when the beaten fighter goes on to accomplish other things - be it in that weight division or a higher one, as opposed to retiring, being knocked out multiple times afterwards or whatever.

You can't say ''Abraham was an overrated win because he lost to Dirrell and Ward either side of the Froch fight'', whilst in the same paragraph say ''Pascal was a nobody who'd done nothing'' whilst completely ignoring what he's done since. Either on their own might be OK, but together it's another example of your lack of ability to post using opinions, instead logging onto your database and pulling up pointless stats, which often contradict themselves.

He was a nobody, but made a name for himself in that fight despite losing, then rebounded with a couple of impressive victories before beating Dawson.

 

No he didnt. Ottke was outboxing Glen through most of that fight. Ottke was tough to watch at times because he lacked power, but his movement gave Glen all kinds of problems.
I dont ignore a thing

 

Easily Froch.