Better Top 5 Wins at SMW: Froch or Calzaghe?

Maybe changing promotion companies has a lot to do with that. I think Floyd Promotions will take care of his career. At the same time if Dirrell is nothing, why should Ward need to fight him? Because a lot of people was begging Ward to fight Bute and Dirrell before he "moves" up to challange Dawson. At the same time you call Dirrell one of the most overrated fighter on ESB.
Basically there is no opponent available for Ward or Forch to suspass Joe in TOP 5 victories? Only if Froch beats Ward.

 

i shoudda known you'd see the impossible.

forget it failey. Start saving for your psychiatry bills, serious.

 

I think if Froch would have won by hard fought decision, his victory against Bute would have been better than Joe vs Kessler. Just my opinion.

 

Working with Floyd is the best thing Dirrell can do, he can learn from a true champion. Ward doesn't need to fight him, but I guess many feel it's an interesting match up. He is overrated, as people keep on mentioning him as a big name in the SMW division, when he's done nothing for the last 2 years. When he had his comeback fight, everyone was interested, however it's 5 months later and he's done nothing since, he should have fought again once or twice then looked to fight for a regional title, before stepping up to try and fight a champion again.

The SMW division is not very strong today. Also, Froch will never beat Ward.

 

Think is an opinion. Facts are facts

 

so start thinking.

stop reading what federations post and using it because its what you want to believe

 

I agree with you 100%, but its funny how people 2-3 years ago called SMW the best division in boxing, now all of a sudden when Ward in dominating fashion gets S6 trophy it's just another weak division. So you are saying that this SMW era are weaker thank Joe era?

 

I would say so yes

Heres a post a bit old and changed a bit since Frochs win over Bute but

Its not stronger at all. Once you remove Bute and Ward there isnt a great deal. Just look at today compared to 05

Back then there was in 2005

1. Calzaghe undefeated world champ (best SMW resume ever)
2. Kessler undefeated world champ (undefeated and not suffering double vision)
3. Lacy undefeated world champ (undefeated with a better resume than most of the current SMWs)
4. Beyer (3 time WBC champ with a better resume than most of the current SMWs)
5. Mundine (2 time WBA champ)
6. Danny Green who became a world rated CW and had a fair SMW resume
7. Siaca (former world champ)
8. Grant (former WBO MW champ)
9. Reid (former world champ, and fighter that looked unlucky against Ottke and who beat Magee when undefeated, who is now WBA int champ)
10. Andrade (undefeated at this time and looked unlucky not to KO Bute years later and beat Steiglitz)

Now today you have

Champ.
Andre Ward whos biggest win is 05 #2 Kessler

1. Bute whos biggest win is who? Maybe Berrio or possibly WBA int champ Magee who Reid #9 in 05 beat years previously when undefeated
2. Froch who has lost to unwell 2005 #2 when unwell and coming off a loss
3. Steiglitz who lost to 2005 #10 Andrade
4. Oousthuizen, who has he beaten thats up there with like some of the 2005 fighters?
5. Bika who is rated so high now by doing what? Beating Manfredo, because I cant think of a bigger win tha he has and Bika lost to 2005 #1 Calzaghe years previously and couldnt beat Soliman at first ask who was clearly beaten on more than one occassion by Mundine 2005 #5
6. Groves, whos biggest win is a MD over 10 and 0 DeGale whos big win was P Smith. groves has only had 14 fights and although doing well in a short career is given a big status for little.
7. G Johnson who was a SMW journeyman who couldnt compete at SMW. Johnson has lost more fights than won at SMW and now with his biggest win of Green coming off a loss and well in his 40s he is a top 10 SMW atsch I could show you the form line of who Johnson lost to and then show you how it compares to 05 but I think you get the point.
8. Dirrell whos biggest win is?? Abraham maybe who cant compete with top SMWs or Oganov possibly. Who has Dirrell beaten for his rating?
9. Abraham. Now it is looking bad. Abraham cant seem to compete with fair SMWs and gets not just beaten but almost shut out, even by Froch who is slow and doesnt have a good workrate. Abrahams big SMW win is Taylor coming off a KO loss
10. Rodriguez. Tell me who he has beaten then?


You would even struggle to say yeah but the fights didnt happen then because they did. Calzaghe beat Lacy and Kessler as well as Reid. Kessler beat Beyer, Mundine and Siaca. Beyer beat Green as did Mundine and Siaca beat Mundine etc.

As you say hype has built it up

 

I can see that you know your stuff, I respect that, it looks like you are big fan of SMW division. But on the other side I can see you are huge Joe fan. That being said, I know you was pulling for Kessler in S6... If he(Kessler) had won S6, Joe legacy would be SO MUCH bigger. I mean, nobody could ever argument about Joe legacy, but now when Ward dominated every single opponent in S6(only Bika), you are saying division is weak. That is only my take, dont take it personal, because im saying what im reading.
And also sorry for my english!

 

Carl Froch.

 

Very very close when you actually think about it.

 

Wtf?

I never mentioned Johnson. I just made a remark about your flawed logic stating several examples straight off the bat. You should address them instead or be quiet.

 

You made a remark and I used Johnsons career as an example to support what I said. You just made a comment that you havent found any grounds to support your claim.

 

I gave an example of who was in the division then and who is in their now, and the division has some novices who have beaten nobody in the top 10. Look for yourself. What have Groves and Oousthuizen done to be top 10 rated yet?
I was never pulling for anyone in the S6. I just like the SMW division, since Leonard/Hearns rematch and followed it closely. I think Calzaghe did alot for the division, and its not about being a fan but more correcting the ignorant who have only watched the SMW division since J Lacy arrived.
I think Ward is a good solid SMW, but that is all there is. The others have losses that date back to the old champ and Ward is left with leftovers, which is a shame for Ward. Ward also didnt help himself when he avoided Bute