Did nerves get to Lucian Bute against Carl Froch?

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  1. Peter__1987

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    No offence, but i think your looking a little too hard for an excuse for Bute here.

    He chose to get in a bit of a tear up with a man who is virtually impossible to knock out and paid the price for it.

    That's all it was, different game plan you will see a different fight.

    Any city in the world, infront of any crowd in the world, if Bute went toe to toe with Froch he's getting knocked out
     
  2. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    No Froch's punches got to him !
     
  3. Elvizzz

    Elvizzz Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I noticed many people on ESB thought Bute looked relaxed and comfortable in the ring before the fight. I thought he looked completely confused!

    First when someone threw a romanian flag in front of him when he was standing on the podium. His eyes was fixed on the flag for many seconds.

    When he entered the ring he made humble gestures towards the crowd (he did that on several occasions). And when the camera was focusing on Bute he couldn't take his eyes of the lense just standing there looking goofy.

    And then right after the national anthem Bute looks up in the air with a baffled expression... Maybe thinking (What the hell is happening here)

    Froch on the other hand seemed focussed and ready.
     
  4. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know you are lying.




























    You said Bute wouldn't even make into the 2nd round.

    :lol:
     
  5. Ahurath

    Ahurath Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah he got up, after what 30 seconds?
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Possibly. But remember Froch had nerves against J Taylor and had he not had a great chin, may have suffered
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    He got up before 10, but the ref stopped the count, and the way he was staggering around before that I think it should have been stopped
     
  8. s.i.mustata

    s.i.mustata Active Member Full Member

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    Carl Froch got "to Lucian Bute against Carl Froch". Bute didn't expect Froch to land and follow; Bute is notoriously a slow starter like most counterpunchers, that's why from the way the fight started there were few chances it'll go all 12 rounds. Bute imagined Froch will miss and focused early on setting a slow pace while Froch was trying to be accurate and land. Froch won on his strategy, will and power; like Lucian said: Froch surprised him. End of story.
     
  9. jeffjoiner

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    Did Bute have a good amatuer career? One would expect a fighter who fought international competition as an amatuer to be able to limit the amount of influence a crowd or location has on him.

    Perhaps Bute used up a lot of nervous energy, perhaps he overthought in the ring and paralyzed himself instead of fighting on natural ability. I doubt it, though.
     
  10. des3995

    des3995 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Personally, I think Bute was fine, and fighting fine, and would have been fine, had one or 2 of his hard straight lefts hurt Froch. Because they were landing early.

    I think what unnerved him was that Froch shook off his best work, and then launched his own attack, which hurt him more than he hurt Froch.
     
  11. PityTheFool

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    And how I was ridiculed!:bart
    But I have to admit mate,I did come to like the guy in the build up.Really wanted to hate him,but he had the complete opposite effect,and after the initial joy,I felt a tad sorry for him.
     
  12. Peter__1987

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    Yeah but that's just exactly my point.

    Froch's chin is unbelievable (so he can trade with anyone no problem, regardless of nerves, the venue or the crowd)

    Bute's obviously isnt (so trading with Froch was suicide, regardless of nerves, the venue or the crowd)

    There's your answer :good
     
  13. domjon

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    :deal this

    Bute looked like a little lost boy to me, totally overawed. It was strange to see, particularly after seeing how confident he had been at the weigh-in/press conferences etc.

    To be honest as soon as I read about Bute training with crowd noise piped in to the gym it set alarm bells ringing. I don't buy the 'meticulous preparation' line...it showed doubts and weaknesses that a true champion wouldn't entertain.

    All that said, having watched the fight umpteen times it's hard to come to the conclusion that even in Montreal and brimming with confidence Bute could ever get past Froch. Virtually every shot that landed rocked Bute to some degree. I find it hard to believe that nerves could compromise punch resistance to such a degree.

    It should also be noted that whilst the atmosphere certainly was amazing, there was plenty of support for Bute in the arena, much more than anybody anticipated.
     
  14. s.i.mustata

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    Bronze medal at the 1999 World Amateur Boxing Championships.
     
  15. Momus

    Momus Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's exactly the fight I was thinking of :good

    Both were in a hostile atmosphere on miles from their usual stomping ground, and with bigger build-up and media attention than they were used to.

    Froch just couldn't get going against Taylor in the first 6 rounds, and but for his chin could easily have been stopped. He looked tentative, and his timing was way off.

    Bute had much the same problems, but didn't have Froch's mandible to weather the storm.

    While I don't think Bute would fight quite that badly again, the conclusion you can draw is that he is a talented front-runner without the physical and mental toughness to come through adversity. Fighters have rebuilt from bad losses, but generally at an earlier stage in their career than Bute.