Do people have short memories. HOW is Pacquaio Marquez such a big robbery? Compare to

I had it a clear Marquez win like most boxing fans.

Also note that 99 percent of professional boxers also scored it for Marquez. This fight was the clearest of them all and Marquez still got shafted.

 

Arum to Marquez after scorecards read "it's just business" lmao

 

So what do you think was a worse decision Lewis-Holyfield I or Marquez-Pacquiao

 

Make a poll titled "What is the worse decision: Lewis-Holyfield or Marquez-Packy

 

Williams-Lara = ROBBERY!!!
Holyfield-Lewis = ROBBERY!!! ..... and that one was a draw!
Helenius-Chisora = ROBBERY!!!

Pacquiao-Marquez 1,2 & 3 = NO ROBBERIES!

 

Whether it was a robbery or not, this is the problem. Marquez obviously won, and he didn't get the decision.

 

Reported.

 

:deal

 

I view the Hagar vs SRL fight and the JMM vs Pac fight in the same kind of way.

What MOST people EXPECTED to happen was TURNED UPSIDE DOWN by the two underdogs of those fights i mentioned.

with JMM and SRL doing as good as they did,when everything was against them (at least on paper),but making a great fight of it by winning rounds by using skill,cunning,and sheer bloody mindedness,they get elevated to winning status by casual observers, and regardless of punch stats etc:think

 

• Blake Dreisbach, BleacherReport.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Gabriel Montoya, MaxBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Ron Borges, The Sweet Science/Boston Herald/Ring Magazine: 117-112 Marquez
• Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
• Lem Satterfield, Ring Magazine: 117-111 Marquez
• Mark Lyons, 8CountNews.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Michael Marley, The Examiner: 115-113 Marquez
• Mike Coppinger, RingTV.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Al Bernstein: 115-113 Marquez
• Wayne McCullough: 115-113 Marquez
• Ryan Maquinana, ***********.com: 116-113 Marquez
• Matt Hamilton, EsNews.com: 116-115 Marquez
• Ed Graney, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 115-113 Marquez
• Bob Sheridan: 115-114 Marquez
• John Katsilometes, Las Vegas Sun: 115-114 Marquez
• Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com: 117-113 Marquez
• Bill Dwyer, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
• Pedro Fernandez, RingTalk.com: 116-113 Marquez
• Chris Williams, BoxingNews24.com: 117-111 Marquez
• Eric Raskin, TheSweetScience.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Lyle Fitzsimmons, The Sports Network: 116-112 Marquez
• Steve Bunce, BBC: 117-111 Marquez
• Matt Lynch, BoxingToday: 116-112 Marquez
• Chuck Giampa, Retired Boxing Judge: 116-112 Marquez
• Glyn Leach, Boxing Monthly: 115-113 Marquez
• Briggs Seekins, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Oly Goldstein, BadLeftHook.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Johnny Benz, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-111 Marquez
• Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113 Marquez
• George Willis, New York Post: 115-113 Marquez
• Rich Thomas, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Raj Parmar, 3MoreRounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Norm Frauenheim, 15Rounds.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Martin Rogers, Yahoo! Sports: 115-113 Marquez
• James Slater, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Nick Tylwalk, BoxingWatchers.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Bob Velin, USAToday: 115-113 Marquez
• Chris Manix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Marquez
• Igor Guryashkin, ESPN: Marquez by one round
• Brent Brookhouse, SB Nation: 115-113 Marquez
• Will Cooling, FOX Sports/InsideFights: 118-110 Marquez
• Andrew Fruman, The Boxing Bulletin: 116-112 Marquez
• Ben Thompson, FightHype.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine/TheSweetScience.com/TheFist: 117-111 Marquez
• Dan Ambrose, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Kevin Mitchell, The Guardian: 117-114 Marquez
• Paul Magno, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
• Jerry Izenberg, Newark Star-Ledger: 115-114 Marquez
• Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: 116-112 Marquez
• Scott Christ, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Marquez
• Fox Doucette, The Boxing Tribune: 115-113 Marquez
• Henry Ramirez, Boxing Trainer: 116-113 Marquez
• Thomas Hauser, SecondsOut.com: 116-113 Marquez
• Gerardo Granados, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Marquez
• Robert Guerrero: 116-112 Marquez
• Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: 115-113 Marquez
• Graham Shaw, SportingLife.com: 116-113 Marquez
• Max Kellerman, HBO: 114-114 Draw
• Brian Arman Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114 Draw
• Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114 Draw
• Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: 114-114 Draw
• Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN/Reuters: 114-114 Draw
• Dan Rafael, ESPN: 114-114 Draw
• Brian Campbell, ESPN Mobile: 114-114 Draw
• george Elsasser, BraggingRightsCorner.com: 114-114 Draw
• Jake Emen, ProBoxing-Fans.com: 114-114 Draw
• Anthony Whitby, BoxingIQ.com: 114-114 Draw
• Jeff Powell, The Daily Mail (UK): 114-114 Draw
• Pace Miller, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
• Gareth Davies, London Telegraph: 114-114 Draw
• Larry Merchant, HBO: 114-114 Draw
• Elie Seckbach, ESNews.com/AOL News: 114-114 Draw
• Roy Jones, Jr.: Draw
• Joe Bruiser, FightFan.com: 116-116 Draw
• Michael Wright, ESPNChicago.com: Draw
• Mark Lichtenfeld, Ring Announcer/Member, Ring Magazine Ratings Panel: 114-114 Draw
• Teddy June, RingJunkies.com: 114-114 Draw
• Rick Reeno, ***********.com: 114-114 Draw
• Robert Ecksel, Boxing.com: 114-114 Draw
• Frank Baltazar, Fight Manager/Inductee, California Boxing Hall of Fame: 115-115 Draw
• ****** Tate, BleacherReport.com: 114-114 Draw
• Doug Fischer, Ring Magazine: 114-114 Draw
• Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114 Draw
• Gary Andrew Pool, The Atlantic: 114-114 Draw
• Beau Denison, SportsPageMagazine.com: 114-114 Draw
• Daniel Herbert, Boxing News: 114-114 Draw
• Leighton Ginn, Desert Sun (Palm Springs): 114-114 Draw
• Doveed Linder, BoxingTalk.com: 114-114 Draw
• Bob Papa, HBO: 114-114 Draw
• Andrew Eisele, Boxing.about.com: 115-115 Draw
• Charles Horgan, Boxing Tribune: 114-114 Draw
• Gordon Marino, The Wall Street Journal: 114-114 Draw (Note: At the end of his live blog of the fight, he indicated his belief that Marquez had won; however, in his round-by-round, he scored Rounds 1-2, 5-7 and 12 for Marquez and Rounds 3-4 and 8-11 for Pacquiao.)
• Kevin Cunningham, Boxing Trainer: Draw
• Harold Lederman, HBO: 116-112 Pacquiao
• Joseph Herron, FightSaga: 116-112 Pacquiao
• Cliff Rold, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Will Carroll, Sports Illustrated: 116-112 Pacquiao
• Allen Barra, The Atlantic: 116-113 Pacquiao
• Chris Koegler, TheRealHook.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• David Kassel, FightHype.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Rob Rutz, MyBoxingFans.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Sean Sullivan, BoxingDigest: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Ted Sares, Boxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
• Brian Mazique, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Glen Anglin, BoxingNews24.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Michael Rosenthal, Editor, Ring Magazine: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Skip Bayless, ESPN: 116-112 Pacquiao
• Jake Donovan, ***********.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Ken Hissner, DogHouseBoxing.com: 118-110 Pacquiao
• Bill Shimizu, Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Massimo Lopes Pegna, La Gazzetta dello Sport (Italy): 115-114 Pacquiao
• James Foley, BleacherReport.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Anthony Lee, BoxingNews24.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
• John McCormick, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Graham Houston, FightWriter.com/FightNews.com/ESPN: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Nick Fors, Pasionsports.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Ronald Geronimo, NowBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Danny Serratelli, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Ace Freeman, FightFan.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Sean Faye, Eurosport Yahoo!: 116-115 Pacquiao
• Scott Shaffer, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Nate Ravitz, ESPN: 117-111 Pacquiao
• Mike Chiari, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Patrick L. Stumberg, SBNation: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Colin Seymour, FrontPageBoxing.com/Examiner.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Jason Peck, EastSideBoxing.com: 116-112 Pacquiao
• Steve Busfield, The Guardian: 116-114 Pacquiao
• Nick Fox, Bad Left Hook: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Stephen Edwards, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Max Parker, Boxing Watchers: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Adam Hirshfield, Bleacher Report.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• King J Gladney, BleacherReport.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Ben Weisman, BoxingAsylum.com: 116-113 Pacquiao
• Ken Pollitt, *****************: 116-113 Pacquiao
• Michael David Smith, AOL NEWS/MMA Fighting.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Madra Uladh, EastSideBoxing.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Michael Woods, ESPN/TheSweetScience.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Brad Cooney, 8CountNews.com/Examiner.com: Pacquiao by one round
• "Old Yank" Schneider, Boxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Greg Leon, BoxingTalk.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Steve Marzolf, InsideHBOBoxing.com: 115-114 Pacquiao
• Darrell La Montre, BoxingTalk.com: 115-113 Pacquiao
• Terra (Brazil): 116-112 Pacquiao
• Joel Huerto, SportsFanLive: 115-113 Pacquiao

• None of the above scores for Marquez or a draw is from Mexican media/boxers.
• None of the above scores for Pacquiao or a draw is from Philippine media/boxers.
• Among the unofficial scorers above, 57 scored the bout for Marquez, 51 scored the bout for Pacquiao, and the remainder scored the bout a draw.

Doesn't seem like much of a robbery to me. Out of over 100 people, the numbers were pretty close to even. I had Pacquiao winning 116-113, and that is just the way I saw it. I love Marquez and Pacquiao, but I saw what I saw. It was a close fight, no matter who won. NO ROBBERY!!!

 

I should have phrased that better, meant to say 7-5-1 with one round being even

There have been bigger robberies such as Rios-Abril, Williams-Lara and of course the notorious Reid-Ottke farce

But despite that those fights did not involve the so called P4P #1 getting his ass handed to him and then having the scores reflect a 1 or 2 point win for Pacquiao

 

fight coulda gone either way imo.