Question:Why some have Rocky overJack?

Part of me is glad this fight never took place, because it might well have been a McClellan Benn scenario!

 

It's a very tough and competitive fight ... my biggest question would be if Jack could keep his cool ... I think he was much faster and a better two handed puncher but Rocky was the more controlled fighter mentally ... people rarely comment on how smart Rocky was but in a fight like this it may be one of his biggest assets ... I honestly do not know ..

 

I'd pick Marciano to beat Dempsey.

All around, I think Marciano is better and has more advantages.

Power: Marciano
Speed: Dempsey
Defense: Even
Punching arsenal/variety: Marciano
Punch selection: Marciano
Stamina: Hard to say, gun to my head I'd pick Marciano
Chin: Hard to say, never saw anyone other than Firpo really unload on Dempsey. Probably about even, with a possible edge to Marciano.
Infighting: Marciano
Mid-Range fighting: Marciano
Outside fighting: Dempsey
Overall fighting intelligence: Marciano

It'd obviously be a great fight and a slugfest, but I do think that in the fire fight that would take place, Marciano was more suited to win.

I don't care what those old timers said about who was faster/better because I have the film to see for myself. This isn't a situation inwhich it's like Greb vs Hagler where we have tons footage of one fighter and only have the word of others for the other fighter. There is plenty of footage of both fighters and imo Marciano was better.

 

Tough one to pick - I'd hate to see either one lose.

Back in 1967 there was a computer tournament to 'determine' the All-Time Heavyweight Champion. My favorite part of listening to it was hearing insights and predictions by some of the actual fighters and boxing experts prior to the broadcast of the computer-simulated 'fight'. The finalists were Rocky Marciano and Jack Dempsey. When asked his prediction, Nat Fleischer replied "I pick Jack Dempsey to win that fight. Dempsey was an aggressive, murderous puncher who could give it and take it, as was Marciano. But Jack Dempsey possessed a high degree of ring science which Marciano did not have."

 

Thats not all there is but thats also an extreme example.

The only real advantage Marciano has over Dempsey might be stamina. Heart? Maybe slightly though Dempsey wasnt lacking in that area.

Dempsey is the faster, more skilled, more explosive puncher. The Manassa Mauler put his combinations together better than Rocky did and was more accurate. He didnt waste so many punches. Marciano missed by 3 feet on some of his big punches.

Do that with Dempsey and your gone. Early.

Dempsey by KO.

 

Rocky fought every number one rated heavyweight, white or black, during an active championship reign.

Dempsey... well, he didn't quite do that.

The only way Dempsey beats Marciano is if he can swing a sack of the homoerotic fiction that has been written about him at Marciano's head, swiveling his narrow hips upon his dancers legs with the full import of his broad, supplely muscled shoulders.. because that would be some clout.

 

i think a lot of the reason for the current view of dempsey is the tunney bouts, this is the only footage of dempsey vs a more modern style (from then). If there was an example of prime dempsey vs anyone respectable the tunney footage would mean less.

personally i slightly favour the rock because:

approaching this fight as a gambler:
chance of a early ko = higher than the average fight,
kd's = there has to be kd's in this fight, can dempsey's chin keep him up enough to stay competitive on the cards?
cuts = advantage dempsey
stamina = adv marciano
speed = dempsey was definatley quicker but used his speed for offence and is no counterpuncher
psycology = dempsey tries to win by ko as soon as possible but rocky is most dangerous when hurt. rocky more willing to wait for the big shot
later rounds = to say marciano should be most effective later in the fight seems fair.
unknowns = how many effective bodyshots does rocky land? dempsey is smaller and moves more than most hw's. but if rocky can slow him it is to his advantage
= how dempseys shots affect the rock, i might be wrong but dempsey never fought such a well conditioned, resiliant athlete but rocky never fought as dangerous a puncher
= location, if ny adds a bonus point to marciano

conclusion: no big money on this fight, but if the odds favour dempsey i go marciano, if they favour rocky i wait until in play, then i back whoever gets put down first and swing my bet around as/if momentum swings

 

come on now

 

Aye, it's an extreme example. It's the best way to cut to your point, often enough, I find. Also, subtle examples on Internet forums often are a bit limpdickish. IS Dempsey more skilled? I'm not so sure. IS Dempsey a harder puncher? I wouldn't necessarily say that. IS Dempsey more durable? I wouldn't say he was... Etc, etc, etc, subjectivity, etc. When Marciano broke people down by "missing" a clean blow (wasting to some) and getting to the forearms, biceps, triceps, shoulders, neck, nuts, hips, back, feet, anus, etc, it might not actually be wasteful. So, you'd have to define ''waste'' given his unusual approach, I suppose.

 

Da fuuuck?

 

This.

Marciano will be the bigger, stronger, harder hitting man in there with more stamina, more of a punch output, more skills, better chin and more proven against a higher calibre of fighter.

The only adv. Dempsey holds is footwork and speed and given those wont be utilised in a way that could make him perhaps win the fight its pretty useless to even regard them. Dempsey will be drawn into a slug fest and find himself out gunned and out punched. Marciano mid to late KO.

 

Marciano PROVED he was as good as (some) people say he is.

There's no proof to back up how highly rated certain people rate Dempsey. None at all.

Head to head comparisons have to take on board a ring record, because how can you know someone is great if they only fight **** fighters?

 

Consider the opinion of veteran boxing writer and analyst Dan Daniel from the May 1956 Ring Magazine concerning a potential Marciano-Dempsey fight, "Dempsey would have stopped Rocky because Marciano would have taken too long to hurt the Mauler. Rocco usually warms up to his task slowly, and usually doesn't get to that point until about the eighth round. Once he has worn down his man, Rocky hurts plenty. Dempsey was no feeler-outer. The bell rang, and he went right to work, no dilly-dallying. He gave everything he had all the way."