My analysis of Pacquiao vs Bradley

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  1. EMACULATE

    EMACULATE New Member Full Member

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    Bradley is an under-rated boxer and is mentally tough. Until he gets touched he will give Pac alot of problems with movement and his work-rate. I truly feel that Pac is on the down side of his career and his victories have been over-raated like Morrales and BARREREA and why didnt he fight the Soto's and Guzmans, or Williams and Bertos. I hope for a great fight though.
     
  2. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i have to say...this is quite an impressive post and the best i've seen yet on the subject. very good observations. i totally agree.
     
  3. Bazooka

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    Against old ass weight drained Oscar and Old ass Mosley, come on now, Oscar was a corpse going in the world knows that and anybody who denies it is a ****ing moron.
    Mosley take a look at Mosleys career,
    Forrest L UD
    Forrest 2 Lost UD
    Delahoya 2 (Questionable win and on Roids in my eyes a L)
    Marquez NC
    Winky L UD
    Winky 2 L UD
    Cotto L UD
    Mayorga W KO (But was getting out boxed up til the end)
    Mayweather L (Dominant)
    Mora D (Should have been a loss)
    Pacquiao L (UD wanted to quit)

    How many losses does a fighter need before we realize the man is done?
    Now people will throw out the Margarito win, I suggest that win is very suspect as well aside of the wrap scandal Mosley hasnt looked like that leading up to that fight nor since very questionable.
    The first Vargas fight Mosley was in trouble there too....

    So Pacquiao being able to pull a feint against an old shot fighter means nothing to me really.
     
  4. Bazooka

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    Thank you sir, I think right now it just boils down to who can be in a better place mentally come fight night. and if Manny does lose, please no stories about distractions, no stories about blisters on the feet.
     

  5. that's the single worst analysis i ve ever read.
     
  6. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    u are on a roll today. good ****.
     
  7. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i have believed bradley has the tools to beat pac since before this fight was signed. hearing bradley discuss what needs to be done...listening to diaz...they know what they have to do and are very capable of doing it. bradley is a guy who gets over looked because he has very few ko's...and has been dropped in his fights. but make no mistake about it...the guy is as well rounded as they come and he has all the ingredients to exploit pac's flaws and pull out the win. the southpaw stance won't give him trouble. neither will pac's "speed" or power. once tim systematically takes things away from pac...he will be walking him down...and he will get pac to the ropes to do major damage. i don't think a stoppage win for tim is out of the question.
     
  8. ocelot

    ocelot Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pac is faster, has heavier punches, has better footwork, has been in with much better fighters. Plus he has the huge corrupt machine of Arum behind him to ensure a decision whether he deserves it or not. But Pac is well past his peak and doesn't seem to be 100% committed mentally anymore. Bradley's at his peak, and is one intense, driven, well-conditioned SOB. Pac should win. But I wouldn't be surprised by an upset at all.
     
  9. Bazooka

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    Agreed, and like I said had Devon not quit, that would have been a Kayo and so would Campbell which would have put his Kayo ratio up to the 50+ % range.

    He has faced slick south paws and Manny isnt one of them, and he has beat every man in front of him. Now sure Manny has power I wont deny Manny any credit the kid brings it as well.

    But I just simply think that in terms of youth, speed and experience it will give Manny more than even he expects. and Because Bradley isnt some loud mouth, flashy guy he doesnt really get the credit he deserves.

    The Alexander win speaks volumes, Alexander has gone on to dominate Maidana who made Ortiz quit, the Peterson win is a solid win as well, Peterson beat Amir Khan.

    But I also know the A B Cs do not always add up, I am not saying cus he beat this guy who beat that guy, No what I am saying is he beat that guy and that guy was good enough to beat those guys if that makes sense.
     
  10. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    i get what ur saying...and i agree.

    alexander and campbell definitely quit in those fights.
     
  11. Prince.

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    Bradley has 2 inch extra reach...
     
  12. Bazooka

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    That wont make a difference because we have the angle issue of a left vs a righty. However if he can stay moving on that left side he can make it a slight factor its going to come down to fighting smart early boxing and moving working the body often wearing down Pac.

    From the sixth on if Bradley has invested enough he can take over the fight, the problem is what worries me is that he may want it too much, and get over excited if he sees pac in trouble and thats when big trouble can happen for Bradley, he will be tested in every aspect on saturday the one that matters is his patience
     
  13. Bogotazo

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    Then watch the fights against Cotto, Barrera, Morales, and Marquez himself. This isn't an argument about his resume. If you can't see that Manny feints very well and implements it often to set up his offense, then I can't help you. Go ahead and disagree with a master tactician who's been in the ring with and arguably bested Pacquiao 3 times if you feel the need to blatantly overlook positive aspects of Pacquiao's style. From one of my translations:

    Announcer Dude: We're now in the ring of Golpe A Golpe. We're with Juan Manuel Marquez, to discuss certain key points against Pacquiao, from both sides; what Manny does, and what Juan Manuel does. Now Juan, you've faced Manny Pacquiao two times, and we can say that he's now a better fighter. Before, he would jump around, and throw punches and land them, and from odd angles, was able to land very potent punches. Now, how is he a better fighter? How is Manny Pacquiao now?

    JMM: Well what Pacquiao does, out of his southpaw guard, is make lateral moves while throwing the jab (circles and jabs), and all of a sudden he feints; he feints as if going down, and then throws a lightning left. Always feinting, always moving...


    Announcer Dude: Despite the fact you can have your guard up.


    JMM: Even though you have your guard up. He comes in with an impressive speed and lands in between through the gloves. So one always has to have good reflexes and constantly be moving at the waist, so as to not give an open target.


    Announcer Dude: You say that he now has a right hand.


    JMM: Yes.


    Announcer Dude: That makes him more dangerous because, well, he has another resource Juan.


    JMM: In one way it makes him dangerous, but it's also an advantage for me. It's an advantage for me because, for example, to throw a right hook at me, I can weave out of it and then throw an uppercut (slips hook and counters with a left uppercut.) Equally, I can block it (blocks with left), and from there turn it into my own combination (counters with a left hook out of the block), with hooks. But it does make him more dangerous, because he himself can employ a counterpunch.


    Announcer Dude: Or feint the right, and come with his left.


    JMM: Right, or feint. In the ring you have to be careful of your opponent always, because he has two hands. You can't always think, "it's the left." So you always have to be careful of both hands, and he's got a very powerful punch. So the right does make him more dangerous.


    Announcer Dude: It's a world of feints.


    JMM: That's right, a world of feints. He'll feint, he'll go like this (waves hands around as a distraction), he does a lot of things that can distract you. So we're always going to be attentive, always with the guard up, always with the guard well closed, so whatever punch he throws, we'll be able to slip it and counter-punch him. And we'll always be using lateral steps, which is very important. When he throws the left straight- (slips left hand to the right, pivots out to the right, and throws the straight right), I have to move, and do it with a lot of speed. Change the angle, initiate a combination, and when he wants to come back, counter-punch him.
     
  14. daprofessor

    daprofessor da legendary professor Full Member

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    pac feints in his own style...they aren't the traditional feints one thinks of...

    and no disrespect...but those feints worked on marquez. i didn't see one feint that worked on mosley.
     
  15. Bazooka

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    Thats also because Marquez was floored so he respected Manny in there. The taller fighters in which he used those feints such as DLH and Margarito, they do not have the speed to react to those feints.

    Not saying Bradley will see right through them I am saying Bradley is quick enough that he may pick up on it and rather than react in a defensive way he may fire a right hand when Manny uses the feint he has the speed to do it.

    This isnt a for sure win for Tim dont think I am saying its already a W for Tim here, he has to work. But what I will say is that the stacking of the wraps the over sized rope like Tape I dont think Diaz will put up with it.

    One thing I am interested in seeing is how Manny reacts to getting hit to the body, he will get hit to the body, alot, Timmy being the short fighter has been groomed to set up shots by starting low and finishing high it comes with the territory of being the shorter fighter.

    in all honesty I would love to see a war but we may get a chess match early on, which is what I hope for because in my mind Manny has to get at him early before Tim finds his timing and gets the body assault going