Breaking down Joe Louis: Part 6 - Putting It All Together

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  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    It's not dead! :happy

    Look at Louis after he finishes Conn in their second fight. Look how he's pivoted. He's followed through the shot and stays there, he knows the job is done. For that moment, he has shown you how you turn into a shot and **** someone up.

    When Baer nuts him and forces that early exchange (it's ferocious and exciting on 20th viewing what, 80 years later!??!) I absolutely love the short combination punching Louis fires back with. It puts him straight back in the drivers seat, sharp, quick and accurate shots that dampen any heat Baer was generating with his wild rushing with nearly immediate effect. Louis was being pushed back, but immediately organised his feet into position.

    Everything seems to flow upstairs with Louis, mainly because his feet are such a solid base. Just perfect technique, the consummate puncher, and I honestly have to use words like stupendous to convey anywhere near the feeling I get when watching Joe Louis put it all together, like listening to a great album for me.
     
  2. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    There is a guy on there after my own heart :lol:

    What a username: Irish Frankie Crawford Beat Saijo :D
     
  3. burt bienstock

    burt bienstock Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    McGrain, great piece...If as Freddie Roach said, Louis had the most perfect stance ever for leverage and power. And as it is known Jack Blackburn taught this to Louis, what does it say to the critics of fighters of Jack Blackburn's time who are labeled "primitive"
    compared to today's era. ? After all Blackburn who knew so much boxing technique was a product of the so called inferior age of Gans, Langford, Walcott, McFarland, Abe Attell,
    Fitz, Tommy Ryan, Kid McCoy and other great figures of Jack Blackburn's era ? Can it be
    Mc that Jack Blackburn was not an anomaly of his era, but were just as sophisticated and
    skillful as today's modern fighters ? Logic points to that conclusion, I believe...
     
  4. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    After his loss to Max Schmeling up to his loss to Ezard Charles. He was pretty much unbeatable. If anyone had perfect form it was Joe Louis.
     
  5. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :deal Blackburn was a genius.....
     
  6. bballchamp11

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  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Blackburn, at least, in the 190x-s, didn't have the skills he taught Louis. In many fights you can read the reports saying that Blackburn missed the openings to hurt his opponents, or couldn't finish them when they were hurt, either missing his punches or being too cautious and staying at long range.
     
  8. Sardu

    Sardu RIP Mr. Bun: 2007-2012 Full Member

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    There is a great clip of an over the hill, 38-year old Louis applying the finishing touches to rugged, tough Pat Valentino in an exhibition from 1950 I believe.

    Louis patiently stalks his prey and unleashes a clinical two-fisted assault. The coup de gras is a sweeping left and under and over right rand combo that drops Valentino for the count.

    I'll say Louis was the finest finisher and two-fisted puncher ever. Although Ray Robinson would surely receive votes also.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Aye, he's a funny dude I like him.

    It depends tbh. Some of this stuff is kicked up by old notes, some of it is from new viewings. I don't really have a concrete answer for you i'm afraid. But it probably doesn't take as many veiwings as you think when you are looking for something very specific - how the jab works, how balance is maintained, something like that.

    I agree with this, mostly although it's very, very difficult to tell.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    Maybe not as a puncher but did he have that same core?

    I might have to check that place out McGrain, anyone talking about the kinda' **** I like?
     
  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    This has been a great thread McGrain..is it to be a series? Who next are you going to "break down"?
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are you researching Blackburn by chance?
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Boxing.com is quality in terms of standard. There's a degree of hit and miss obviously but there's very little cynicism, everyone seems in earnest. I like that. But yours is an angle that isn't really covered. In fact, if you ever feel like turning something in a little more regularly, it might be a natural for you in spite of the relative lack of exposure.

    Yeah, it's going to be either 5 or 6 parts with a sixth seventh part more about fits and giggles in the pipe. As for "who nex?" perhaps nobody. I'm a working man after all and sourcing this amount of material and watching this much Louis is time consuming to say the least - but I think Mike Tyson is fundamentally unexplored from this point of view, ironically, and I sometimes think about doing something similar on him.

    No. A couple of looks but nothing major. You must have quite a bit on him between your research on Gans and Langford though? How does your file on Blackburn compare?
     
  14. Flea Man

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    Cheers Mr McGrain :good Still workin' on Mercedes piece at the mo' (and have more footage coming!)

    And Senya, please share any info' you have on Blackburn, love reading the stuff you pulled up on Langford, Gans, Britton, Lewis etc etc
     
  15. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His record during 1901-1908, I don't have any next-day newspapers listed for 30 bouts, but this may be because I forgot to list some of them in the .doc file, while actually having a clipping for them (I have about 150000 files on my HDD, with scanned pages or clippings or books, covering boxing events from 1700 on).