Better Top 5 Wins at SMW: Froch or Calzaghe?

Based on what do you consider Mitchell better than Bika? Calzaghe obliterated Mitchell in 5 minutes, whereas Bika took Calzaghe for 12 grueling rounds. Calzaghe looked like **** in that fight. Bika also made Andre Ward look like ****, and was beating Bute after 6 rounds of their fight.

 

Not what I wrote.
I said I have only seen a few of his fights and not enough to comment.
So have you seen all of his world title fights?
If you say no, you will look a twat for your previous comments. If you say yes, you will look like a liar.
Which one is it

You obviously didnt watch the Nardiello fight or Reid fight .
Still similar to A Abraham who you big up as a Froch opponent. He fought Froch sandwiched between a run of 1-3 in 4 fights .
If you comment on 42 year old Malinga, when you havent seen the fights then, look no further than Frochs win over G Johnson, who has how many losses? :shock:

 

Ridiculous thing to write. Froch blasted out Bute in 5 rounds. Do you think he would do that to Bika? I dont. But do you think Bika is better than Bute who clearly beat him now?
Mitchell was a top SMW who had beaten Liles the WBA SMW champ, drawn with Girard the 2 weight champ, beat Vasquez who beat Joppy before Tito, twice beat Siaca who went on to become WBA SMW champ and looked unlucky to many against Ottke in a unification only losing on a debateable SD.
Bikas best win is probably Manfredo

 

http://articles.boston.com/2008-02-16/sports/29268683_1_kelly-pavlik-rematch-tuneup-fight

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ions-for-carl-froch-for-their-april-25th-bout

The upper limit for the mw division is 160 lbs. Taylor has weighed in at 161 and 160.5 lbs which technically means that he is still a smw

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Taylor looked horrible in his last fight against a green contender. His punch resistance is gone. He never recovered from that right hook that dropped in 30s into round 9

 

As has been said before Zod, if I told you the world was round and night follows day, you'd find a way to disagree. At MW, Taylor was the undisputed champion of the world, what did he achieve at 168? He got knocked out in consecutive fights.

The fact that he's back at 160 says it all, regardless of whether he's shot.

Bottom line, are you seriously disagreeing that fighters can be different at different weight classes?

 

Eubank Losses:
Collins I, Collins II, Calzaghe, Thompson I, Thompson II

Eubank lost his last 5 fights against meaningful opponents and took the Calzaghe fight at 11 days notice. That win for Calzaghe means nothing

Which is the reason why his worst loss is at lww?
Hatton was a medicore fighter with delusions of being a world class fighter. When he stepped up in class he got stopped.

The facts speak for themselves

Pascal fought at smw for 4 years. He tried to win a belt at that weight. He gave a damned good account of himself against Froch and then fought another fight at smw afterwards. Does that sound like a guy who is killing himself to make the smw limit? No. End of story

Hatton on the flip side said he was better fighter at lww then went on to suffer a career ending loss, which suggests that we can ignore Hattons words.

 

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Interesting points zod. and ko artist. Good debate guys.

BTW, Jones was done before Calzaghe. Shot fighters have a sense of being delusional even if they feel good in training. Training shape and elite pro fighter shape are completely different and he wasn't elite since Tarver and Johnson sparked him out 4 yrs earlier.

 

If you constantly test yourself against the best guys around you will pick up losses, which is why guys like Srr, Ali and Moore have losses on their records. If you give a good account of yourself during those fights then the losses dont hurt you much seeing as how you lost to a top level opponent.

On the flip side if you lose to fringe contenders/journeymans like Malinga, Baldomir etc then it hurts you badly, because you lost to a low level opponent, which suggests that you yourself are on that level

It was a keep busy non title fight, which is why Toney came into the ring out of shape. The fact that he then went and fought Charles Williams at smw tells you that he could still make the smw limit.

 

Thanks

off topic:
Who do you think will win tonight?

 

Taylor has no business fighting Pavlik, Abraham, Kessler or Froch at this stage of his career which rules out the smw division

He cant move up because guys like Dawson and Cloud would be a bad match up for him at this stage of his career. So he has decided to try and move back down to mw, because he most likely believes it is a weaker division, but it doesnt matter, because he is shot. He looked terrible in his last fight and he has yet to make the mw limit.

We are done on this topic and anyone reading our posts know who won this argument

 

Please stop debating with your alt account

 

Clearly that's your own opinion Zod. Clearly I and many others disagree. Eubank himself gives Calzaghe plenty of credit for the win.

Hatton defeated Kostya Tszyu to become the lineal JWW champion. That means he was world class himself. He got stopped by the two best fighters of the last decade, no shame in that.

As much as you try to spin it, Pascal at SMW fought for a vacant title once and lost to Froch. He moves up to LHW where he is more comfortable, and defeats Diaconu for the WBC title, then defeats the highly rated and undefeated Chad Dawson for the lineal title. This example is as clear as day.

No, we shouldn't ignore Hatton's words. He went back down to JWW because that's where he felt most comfortable, that's where he felt he was at his best. It's the weight where he defeated Tszyu (his finest hour). Hatton and his team felt it was best for Ricky to fight at JWW for a reason.

 

Yes, losing the big fights does affect your legacy. Ali's legacy was affected by the loss to Frazier at the FOTC. Frazier's legacy is affected by the devestating KO loss to Foreman. Foreman's is affected by the loss to Ali. Sugar Ray's is affected by the loss to Lamotta.

So you now admit that they affect your legacy? Interesting change of tone.

That hurts your legacy even more. Doesn't always suggest you're on their level though, did James Toney's loss to Drake Thadzi mean he was a club fighter himself? He went on to win world titles after that loss.

Which should indicate to you how much of a struggle it was for him to make SMW. He had to shed over 30 pounds of weight. Even though he could make SMW, doesn't mean it was healthy or good for him.

 

He's in the MW division, because it's where he feels most comfortable and at his best. End of discussion.

haha I see what you did there, that's really funny

 

Eubank Career from Collins I to Calzaghe:
Wins:
Bruno Ruben Godoy, Jose Ignacio Barruetabena, Luis Dionisio Barrera, Camilo Alarcon
Losses:
Collins 1, Collins 2, Calzaghe, Thompson I, Thompson 2

He was done at the world class level, which is why he lost everytime he tried to fight guys above b- level

Hatton beat Kosta in a foul filled mauling fight. A win under those conditions means nothing. Hatton was a limited fighter who would of lost to any decent opponent, especially if the ref clamped down on his constant holding