why are so many boxing coaches LAZY and ruin talent

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by highguard, Jun 11, 2012.


  1. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    this is something that has always crossed my mind

    i have seen this type of thing so many times

    guys who love boxing and come to train all happy and want to get good,

    but once in the boxing club, there is some fat lazy peace of crap coach
    who himself had 5 amatuer fights and lost 2 of them.

    now the kid-man pays his monthly dues and should get training right?
    nope they tell him go to hit skip and hit the bag while teaching him
    almost nothing.

    because "he has to earn their coaching" like what the fcuk
    like his money means nothing,

    so 2 things happen,
    1. he gets discouraged and leaves...they said "ohh he was lazy man"
    2. he stays there for years and gets good over time
    but by then they say "ohh man your good but man your already 27 etc"
    its a little late kid.

    thusly another talent ruined

    now i have also done bjj for 4 years and a bit of thai and wrestling,
    its tottally different for the most part

    they are happy to see you there, they teach you,
    your in classes where you get attention and you get better at the sport.
    many guys compete and some dont but all improve


    i wonder why this is?

    i love boxing and its my fav combat sports but to be honest
    when a few boxing gyms in my city were losing business to bjj-mma places

    i was actually happy often because i have these lazy ****s
    ruined a lot of talent-dreams and yes the kid should say "you dont want to train me
    fine, i am going to the grappling place across the street"
    good luck paying rent.
     
  2. joegrundy

    joegrundy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think because boxing coaches have limited time so they like to focus on dedicated boxers, I can see what you mean though because it is different in other combat sports.
     
  3. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Because to be a good boxing coach you need to do more then own a property and sit a two day course. All this earning attention is bollocks if someone is coached properly from the start they will have a good understanding of the basics.

    I coach boxing one to one or in small groups and I've never, ever coached anyone who didn't have the capacity to improve enough to spar heavily or potentially fight. Trainers get big headed and believe they know more then they do.

    I know a coach who calls himself a personal trainer who doesn't even know how to squat properly.

    I know another who also calls himself a personal trainer who recommended a 9 year old swimmer not to eat any carbs for 24 hours before a swimming race then to have lucozade just before he jumped in the pool.

    Another who said you should box with your feet one behind the other so that 'you stood on a skateboard' ... I could give you loads of examples of 'trainers' speaking shite and these are just things I've heard with my own ears.

    All funnily enough motivated by different things, one money- he's greedy. One power - he just wants to be in charge of something. And one is just a nice guy trying to help... And people pay for their 'expertise' ... I call it fraud.

    As a personal trainer or a boxing coach I will say if I don't know something. I'll might offer an opinion and then I'll research it...
     
  4. AdamB

    AdamB Member Full Member

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    I'd say it can be attributed quite heavily to the fact that being good or even great at something does not automatically bestow upon you the ability to teach. Coaches need to know how to cultivate people's individual styles based on their physical attributes and abilities, they also should really have some idea about nutrition and physiology too in all fairness to avoid situations like the Lucozade one above.

    I injured myself to a degree that is still sometimes noticable when I first started, because when I got to the gym with no handwraps or gloves, they gave me a pair of beat-up old 14oz gloves and set me to smashing the bag for an hour and a half without any critique or assistance. Nowadays I get padwork every time I go and advice as and when I need it, but I agree, the whole "earn your coaching" thing is such bull**** it's unfathomable. A large majority of terrible habits that I had/have I've ironed out from reading and watching YouTube videos. That's not how it should be.
     
  5. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    You must take responsibility for your own learning... That's the safest bet. The lads I coach are lucky in that I apply fundamentals and method to what I do... Most are not that lucky.
     
  6. dayuum

    dayuum Active Member Full Member

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    What I hate about my coaches that they force everyone into a specific style. They don't give you any freedom and will only let you do matches if you master the textbook boxing style. My achilles tendons are too short to have proper textbook footwork
     
  7. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    very good points
    espically about personal trainers lol
    i took a personal training course and in the class i was the only one who ever did any sports or bodybuilding,

    and after 6 classes everyone was a certified trainer,

    and about the basics many coaches themselfs dont understand the basics and when you cant do something in sparring the blame you lol
    not their shitty teaching or lack off
     
  8. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    how can you take responsibility for your own learning
    when you know nothing?

    your supposed to listen to your coach

    and if he is some lazy fat **** tell you to hit the bag 8 rounds with no
    instruction,
    then what?
     
  9. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    perfectly said, this is sadly very common
     
  10. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    i dont mean to be rude

    but LIMITED TIME...**** that,

    what the guy teaching muay thai has no life outside of the gym?
    yes he does
    yet somehow he tries to coach...why because he is not a jerk off
    who has not sparred in years and now thinks he is freddie roach
    because of his "knowelge"

    dedicated boxers??? dedicated to what a coach who is not even really watching him working out
    dedicated to eating bombs during sparring because his defense sucks?

    many of these "dedicated boxers" are the sad cases i am talking about
    who waste their youth in these gyms and dont even get good
    at the sport that took away years from their youth,
    while friends actually have a fun life
     
  11. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Go on the Internet, watch some fights or find a good trainer:good
     
  12. highguard

    highguard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    well here is the thing every beginner in any sport thinks
    that his trainer is great,

    for the same reason why watching tapes may not help too much...

    the reason is....he doesnt know what he is talking about
     
  13. Dark Sider

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    After years of working with different coaches of different levels, we finally had a great coach, but he'd only come in on the weekends. What made him good was his experience as a fighter, and his smaller size.

    He had family and job committments and is gone now.

    We have coaches teaching us things, and stuff. But its not the same.

    I may never be a pro, but I definitely will work hard so I don't get beatup in sparring.
     
  14. brown bomber

    brown bomber 2010 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    So make it your business to know. Go to school. Go to other gyms. Study physiology.
     
  15. AdamB

    AdamB Member Full Member

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    This is of course the solution, it's just a pity that for young kids it's pretty much pot luck whether they are trained well or not - they either wind up with a good coach or a bad one and there's realistically not much chance of them changing for a good few years.