The "All Things Mayweather/Pacquiao" Express!!!!!!

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  1. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why doesn't he have the right to deny additional testing? Floyd is his own athletic commission now? Floyd would come up with something else to avoid the fight - which he did in fact, after Manny agreed to his ridiculous demands.

    If MAB had pulled all of this Mayweather style **** to avoid a fight with Morales, I'd be the first to call him on it and I'm the biggest MAB fan in the world. You *****s just amaze me.
     
  2. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's supposed to be an argument?
     
  3. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Link? Proof?

    For the record, I'm not bothered about what Montoya said to Ariza. He can say whatever he wants. If he thought Ariza was connected to PEDs, I'm sure he'd try and prove that. Why wouldn't he, if him and Ariza don't like each other and it'd be a huge story?
    Why would I care what Conte thinks? He's a cheat of the highest order. He's a proven cheat and I think everyone of his fighters have to be suspected of cheating, whether they know it or not. Ariza has come and said Conte is a cheat, something I agree with, and Conte said it back. He has no proof, so why would I believe it's something more than tit-for-tat bull****?

    Ariza has never been caught giving fighters PEDs. Conte has. He also happens to be a proven liar and a conman, yet you're quite happy to take his doubts about Ariza as fact.

    Funny that.
    A legitimate question has some basis. Where is the basis to assume that Ariza has anything to do with PEDs apart from pure speculation? There is none.
    My position is that the NSAC are corrupt, something which is factually true. They have factually allowed fighters to cheat with testosterone and Mayweather, a friend of a guy who has many clinics and yet denies knowing TRT is, will not fight outside Vegas. Maybe it is just speculation or maybe it's linking up the question marks.

    I'm not the one accusing Mayweather of anything. I have never said he's a cheat and nor will I. I'm purely commenting on the fact that there are justifiable question marks over Mayweather and the only people who can't see that are his fans.
    The funny thing is, you think Pacquiao is on drugs because he refused a test and yet when Mayweather refuses to hand over documents to prove he's innocent, you give him a free pass. There is clear hypocrisy from you there and even though you might come up with some absurd argument to defend yourself here, you and everyone else knows that you're a hypocrite, which is why you have no credibility in this or any other argument.
    I called you "lad" because your posts make me think you're a 13 year old, who has posters of Mayweather on your bedroom wall. You haven't made me think anything different either. If you are in your mid-30's, I should probably stop replying to you because you have bigger issues than an online argument to deal with.
     
  4. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    http://twitter.com/VictorConte/statuses/178566282558451712

    http://de.twitter.com/VictorConte/status/203621959370670081

    You're right. I need to keep making ridiculous money like I am now so my wife can continue to not work and raise our two wonderful children. :lol:
     
  5. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can suspect Pacquiao all you want to. I can suspect you of committing hundreds of murders but it doesn't mean it's true. Mayweather, unlike Pacquiao, has a direct link to PEDs which is why he was looked into. What reason was there to look into Pacquiao? He has no signs of drug abuse, he isn't linked to anyone who has been found guilty or someone who works in the drug industry.

    If you say "because he refused a test", then my argument is that Mayweather refused to hand over documents which would have taken 2 minutes to do. Both refused to do something which would prove them innocent or guilty.
     
  6. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The links prove nothing whatsoever. If anything, the comment towards Ariza proves he's innocent. If Montoya is investigating people he suspects of cheating and yet hasn't found anything on Ariza, does that means he's likely to be innocent or guilty?

    If you genuinely have kids, I'm shocked. I thought you were about 15 and I'm absolutely serious with that.
     
  7. acr347

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    To think that pac and money aren't on a trt regimen the equivalent of around 400 mgs or higher of test a week during training and offseason as well as exogenous hgh, is silly. Mid 30s, the best physicians, and the main hormone that increases athletic performance, wheres testing basically allows for a 4 to 1 ratio, which is impossible to achieve naturally, basically allows for it.

    In this age, where nutritional/hormonal/fitness technology is so much more advanced and millions of dollars are at stake, I'm not sure why people are still stuck with this idea that at this level guys are just training and eating right. That's the foundation, but they are going to make sure their body is operating at the highest level.
     
  8. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If that's what you want to take away from that, cool.

    Funny, the other day you brushed me off as if you didn't know who I was when I questioned you for justifying Pacquiao vs Gamboa as a legitimate matchup.
     
  9. Jack

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    No, I didn't. I said people accepted Gamboa vs. Rios, which is true, and then pointed out the fact that Rios weighs more than Pacquiao on fight night. For some reason, you laughed at that even though it's a fact. You said I was "spinning" but the only things I said were facts.

    You then accused me of being a Mayweather critic and I asked you to provide proof that I criticized Mayweather's fights, which you didn't do. If you want to look, you'll find I defended the Ortiz, Cotto and even Marquez fights.

    As I thought though. Instead of debating the genuine issue, you start to criticize me and my opinions. You're not worth my time, lad.
     
  10. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Alright, Jack.
     
  11. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Nice edit.

    Go back and read, you threw the insults first. What's wrong with you?

    And, yes you were wrong about me while it appears that I have you bang on.

    A sensitive, early 20-something with an inferiority complex.
     
  12. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn't edit anything. If I did do, it would say so underneath the post. If you edit a post quickly, within 10 minutes, it doesn't say anything but if you edit a post from a few days ago, it says when you edited the comment and when you did so.

    If people want to, they can go and check that post to see that I edited nothing.

    Your attempts to discredit me are laughable and, again, I've found you out. You're a blatant liar who has no credibility. It's funny because the reason I replied to this thread in the first place was because you were blatantly lying about somebody else and I questioned your credibility. I guess these things are cyclical.
     
  13. bernie4366

    bernie4366 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    No, one is no more "true" than the other, but to "suspect" a man who has gone far above and beyond the universally accepted flawed testing procedures, yet not "suspect" a man who has consistently refused anything other than bare minimum flawed testing procedures, is idiotic.
     
  15. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You added a line to your post to personally criticize me. You can look above where I quoted your post first and then again with the additional line.

    I was willing to let it go.

    Jesus Christ I have you rattled. :lol:
     
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