Why was a smart, prime fighter unable to outbox a down hill Pac?

Thank you.

Pac has now REPEATEDLY demonstrated that his allegedly stellar offense is completely neutralized by ANY footwork. Even the footwork of guys who NEVER utilize footwork.

Pac's matchup choices make much more sense now.

 

exactly. he outworks guys, out hustles guys. The issue with guys like that is when you fight someone what can keep up with your pace, work rate, take all you got and give more. then you're done. no plan b, c, etc.

 

How can a fighter be a fraud? We see everything they do inside the ring. Pacquiao beat several great fighters. Wether or not you're a Bradley or Mayweather fan, you can't exactly call a guy who stopped Cotto a fraud.

 

Running is not footwork.

Early in the fight Bradly tried real foot work. He tried to feint like JMM had done. He tried moving to his left like JMM. Manny countered all of it.

 

Bradley was being countered with his footwork. His tactics fell apart quickly. What next? Go toe to toe? With Pacquiao? You insane? No other option but to run, be on the extreme backfoot and try and work that way. Can't blame the guy.

 

His career and the resulting accolades since JMM II? A bunch of hype and clever matchmaking. His claims to fame are guys who were long on the tooth, beaten, and or stopped long before Pac entered the scene. Fraudulent.

He beat a shell of Cotto not Cotto.

 

Running? You don't know the definition of running. In any case any effective pressure fighter won't allow you to "run". This is called cutting off of the ring. It is now obvious Pac is completely lacking in this skill. Early in the fight the rounds were arguably Bradley's! With a broken foot, Pac STILL couldn't cut down the ring and impose his will.

It shows what the REALLY guy is and explains his whole inflated career. A basic Boxer Puncher that feasts on defensively lacking Brawlers. Give him a hint of movement? He is flailing all over the place. He and Arum know better than to EVER put him in the ring with FMJ. FMJ is out of Pac's galaxy.

 

Both feet being injured and Bradley did beat him he did out box him was it wide no was it robbery no, but he still did enough simply because Manny didnt do much to keep his title

 

Fighting off the back foot is not running. When you are fighting off the back foot you are still setting your feet and looking to land something of merit.

 

What? Last I checked bradley sd12 pac...

 

If Cotto couldn't fight, he shouldnt have entered the ring. Cotto thought he could go, what did you want Pacquiao to do? Take Cotto to the side and say "Look mate, you're not looking so hot so I think you should just sit this one out"?

I didn't say it was. Bradley did go on the extreme backfoot, which people who get annoyed by it call running. It's very effective and if someone is a little better at meshing their footwork with counter punches, like JMM is, it's pretty much the blueprint to beat Pacquiao. Carlos Condit did the same thing to Nick Diaz. It's easy to say that they ran away and bitched out, but if his original tactic isn't working and he isn't able to go toe to toe, then Bradley needs to back up a lot, think about things, try to adapt or land some counter shots. According to the judges it was enough to take the fight and become the new welterweight champion.

 

......... because he aint no Morales !

 

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Just because there's a blue print doesn't mean it's easy. When Bradley started to box Pacquiao, at most he was able to frustrate Pac and make Pac look bad offensively. But outside a few good body shots, Bradley wasn't able to do much offensively despite frustrating Pacquiao.

 

Right. I think we both agree on the economics of Boxing. Offers guys can't refuse. Fine, but don't expect me to credit Pac with "great wins". It is fraudulent. Every single guy he fights with a name he stacks the deck horribly.

No. If Pac is the champ everyone alleges he is? Fight the best on the best terms. He shouldn't have fought Cotto. Also, quit all the manipulation. "I want your 147 pound belt, but I don't want you to fight at 147." He did the same to suspended magically title eliminator ranked at a weight he hasn't been at in years Margarito. All for what? Just to get a belt at a weight he had no place being at. It is again fraudulent.

 

Pacquiao is a pretty damn good fighter, but in all honesty his best wins are against fighters who were past it or shot... Thats the damn truth.

1. Marco Antonio Barrera- After the first Morales fightthe consensus was that both Morales and MAB were not the same fighters. In the Tapia fight, again it was mentioned he had slowed down, and against Kelly MAB looked slower and sluggish. After beating Naseem, MAB never beat an elite fighter in his prime again.

2. Miguel Angel Cotto- After having been brutally destroyed by Margarito, Cotto was looking very sluggish and weak in his next couple fights, likely because 147 was getting to hard to make. He beat Jennings but did not look impressive considering who Jennings was, he then fought Clottey and looked even worse barely winning by SD, Pac chose Cotto immediately after Cotto got the split decision in the ring with a catchweight at 145. Cotto also had no real trainer.

3. Ricky Hatton- After having his chin exposed by Collazo, and being brutally KTFO by Power Puncher Mayweather, Hatton nearly gets KTFO by a shot fighter in Juan Lazcano, then Pac fights this faded version of Hatton.

4. Oscar De La Hoya- After almost a decade fighting at the Middleweights, and after nearly 2 decades of fighting pro, Oscar comes into the ring as a part time fighter needing IV to rehydrate. Despite most of us knowing Oscar was past his prime, most of us did not realize the toll cutting weight and muscle would have on Oscar. Not Pac's fault, but defitanately Oscar at a huge disadvantage.

5. Erik Morales- After a past prime Morales loses to a past prime Barrera, he decides to avenge his loss to MAB through Pac. Only THREE months after his war with MAB, he steps into the ring with Pac for ANOTHER WAR. That's some G ****, and the ****er WINS!!!! Having trouble making 130, he moves up and loses to the ATG Zahir Raheem. Then Pac makes him come down in weight and loses to Pac.

I wouldn't say FRAUD, just a carefully orchestrated career as Kellerman once put it. Overrated, yes, fraud, no. Pac is a tremendous fighter, but it is undeniable that his best wins are against aging fighters fighting at the twilight of their respective careers.