I agree, they call him an expert I don't ....everyone has an agenda or bias but with him he is so far off
Here's what they came up with: 1. Muhammad Ali 673 pts. 2. Joe Louis 605 3. Larry Holmes 368 4. Rocky Marciano 365 5. George Foreman 316 6. Lennox Lewis 287 7. Jack Dempsey 266 8. Joe Frazier 243 9. Mike Tyson 199 10. Jack Johnson 198 11. Sonny Liston 154 12. Evander Holyfield 154 13. Gene Tunney 81 14. Wladimir Klitschko 52 15. Jim Jeffries 47 16. Vitali Klitschko 36 17. Riddick Bowe 24 18. Ezzard Charles 16 19. Jim Corbett 10 20. Bob Fitzsimmons 9 http://www.boxing.com/muhammad_ali_tops_boxing.com_all_time_heavyweight_poll.html
:deal I have evander at 9, Dempsey struggles to make the top 15 for me absolute fraud of a champion that got beat by the only great heavyweight he faced.
I think Dempsey at #7 is OK. Beat a lot of really good fighters really clean, looks exceptional now and again on film, highly thought of by peers. Lower would be nice but #7 doesn't make me furious or anything. #12 for Holyfield is the lower end of what I find acceptable for him, I think 8-12 is ok. For Demspey I like 9-14.
Perhaps because the whole business of grading the great fighters is a bit silly ? These lists are all a bit ridiculous with their 10 degrees/notches of greatness. Having said that, if I understand lists and grades of greatness at all, I'm still mystified at how Sonny Liston ranks so high under so many people's mysterious criteria. Sonny Liston is the poster boy for under-achieving heavyweights surely.
A few of the boys over there have Dempsey at #1 - now if you have Dempsey at #1 it automatically drags Tunney into your top 10 by sheer force of gravity.
Maybe. That's true in many cases I'm sure but I'm not sure it should work like that. Norton and Schmeling don't get dragged far up when Ali or Louis are #1. Some of the guys have Tunney without any mention of Dempsey. Anyway, I'm not being a Tunney advocate or a list arguer, but it's good to see certain guys getting a mention that sometimes get forgotten.
A prety fair list. Inevitably there are some placments and omissions that I have issues with, but most of the placments have a fair grounding in logic, and there is a good blend of old and new. Good to see Bob Fitzsimmons make the top 20, which is probably valid even today.
Apparently a couple of ESB residents were amongst the closest to recreating the poll as a result with their own list: Mike Casey: Nobody nailed the final 10 exactly Ted, but those coming closest to the general shape of it included Bill Butcher, The Right One, Wanderer, Andrew, PhillyFan and Masahiko.