Victor Ortiz was in the right to headbutt Floyd, Floyd was elbowing all night!!

Ok, but unfortunately for Ortiz and his fans he didn't want to get off the canvas to continue to play the fouling game. If you are going to retaliate make sure you do it intelligently and beat your dirty opponent at his own game. Vic LOSES no matter how you slice it.

 

And Floyd Mayweather was in the right when he knocked Ortiz the **** out.

 

Then he was in the right to get KTFO.

 

You read my mind atsch Clown played tuff and got ***** slapped, bottom line.

 

Ok then Floyd was in the right for knocking him out when the ref said "let's go."

So don't fight a street fight with Floyd as street fights are dirty, and both were dirty, and one man was knocked out while the other had his arm raised.

 

Ortiz was headbutting and rabbit punching all night. Floyd had a huge knot on the back of his head from rabbit punching, along with the stitching under his lower lip.

Mayweather doesn't throw elbows, but he DOES use his forearm to create distance. No elbow, but forearm placement. he does this all the time.

 

Agreed

 

Checkmate nucca :deal

 

In an article over at BS....

Robert Garcia believes that Victor Ortiz, a fighter he used to train, mentally unraveled in his fight with Floyd Mayweather last Saturday, exhibiting “mental weakness” that he displayed in the amateurs and early in his professional career. Garcia also believes that Ortiz was happy when the fight was over, as evidenced by a smiling Ortiz, after he got sucker punched legally by Mayweather at the end of the fourth round.

Garcia last trained Ortiz back in 2007 against Carlos Maussa at Madison Square Garden before Ortiz left to train with Garcia's brother, Danny, who remains his current trainer. Robert Garcia believes that fixing whatever ails Ortiz, from his tendency to foul when he gets frustrated, is a deep-rooted issue that cannot be quickly resolved.

“Not when it has something to do with your heart,” Garcia explained. “He has the skills- speed, power- he’s got it. He trains hard. He’s very dedicated. Since he was an amateur, he was always the hardest [working] kid in the gym. Even as a pro, he always trained hard. It’s just something mental, something with his heart that’s not right. I don’t know if it could even be corrected.”

Garcia was struck by how giddy Ortiz seemed after the fight, leading him to conclude that Ortiz didn’t want to continue.

“He was happy that the fight was over,” Garcia said. “You could see it in his face. Come on. If something like that happens to a fighter who is upset and feels that he got cheated, man, he’s going to be fighting and arguing and his whole team is going to be trying to fight the results. Nobody said anything. He was happy, he was smiling. I’m telling you, I think he was happy the fight was over.”

Garcia thinks that Ortiz would have been better served by having a couple more fights to get him ready for a fight of this magnitude with Mayweather. At least, that’s the approach he would have taken if he was still in his corner.

“He wouldn’t have fought Mayweather yet,” Garcia said. “We would have taken a different route, slowly. We wouldn’t have pushed him too fast.”

Garcia referenced Ortiz’s history, getting disqualified because of an illegal punch against Corey Alarcon in 2005.

“He got disqualified once for hitting on a break [in a previous fight],” Garcia went on. “He loses his head inside the ring. Mayweather was just dominating, landing those right hands over and over and victor lost his head, couldn’t land a solid [punch] so he came with a very bad head butt.”

Garcia was critical of Ortiz’s actions after the head butt.

“Then a hug and a kiss is not going to forgive you,” he said. “Mayweather is a professional. He’s been in those big events for the past 10 years. He saw a good opening and it was legal. Maybe I wouldn’t have done it. I wouldn’t advise my fighters to do something like that, but to win a fight you have to do whatever it takes, and he did it. I don’t blame him for it because after he got butted so bad- they cut him open in his lip so I don’t blame him.”

 

Floyd's "elbows" do not seem to be an offensive weapon. It's more defensive and what hits you seems to be more of the forearm.

But I would probably complain about them too if I was fighting him. Warn the Ref beforehand. If you can take it away from him, its one less thing he has to use.



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elbows are part of the game, headbutts is just ****ed up

 

Right. It is called blocking. When a guy rolls, you don't run into the elbow. You throw under it.

This would be no different than a guy ducking and you ramming your head into his as you wildly lunge in for shots then blaming him for butting.