Boxing.com's heavyweight poll - the result

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I'm arrogant and not very clever about it.

 

Pretty good list and amazing how close Rocky and Holmes are. Those videos are very nice as well, I like the Marciano one by Ura-Nage - he used to post here. I believe he also had an awesome Frazier highlight.

Sidenote: Monte Cox was pissed that I made a video highlighting some of Marciano's defensive moves. So pissed off that he had to make his own video about Joe Louis, which is linked there.

 

Looks quite a bit like ESB list. I think there's might be better. Interestingly enough, we have the same ten fighters. We have Johnson higher, they have Foreman higher.

How does Fitzie break the top 20 but not Langford or Willis though... I guess it's because he made more top ten lists than Langford or Willis. I won't scream about race, but there's no way guys like Corbett and Fitzie are more deserving of such mentions...

 

I completely agree with this opinion. :deal

At least you agree Dempsey belongs lower. :good

However, please tell me how you came to the conclusion Dempsey "beat a lot of really good fighters"? :think

I think they must put a lot of stock in his perceived H2H ability.

Riddick & Mike underachieved more imo.

Not on my list.

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No Harry Wills is pretty ridiculous.

 

nice to see holmes get some love at #3 on the list. sam langford only got one vote for the top 20 heavys. it's really a shame. he's #1 on my all-time lb for lb list. fitzsimmons at 20 is kind of a joke. much respect to all he accomplished but he's hardly a top 20 all-time heavy and he sure as hell isn't better than sam langford at heavy or any weight.

 

They´ll do more polls at the the other weight classes McGrain ?

 

I agree that Langford should be in the top 20, but that dosn't mean that Fitzsimmons shouldn't.

Fitz put prety much every heavyweight player of his era to the sword, with the exception of Jeffries.

 

good point but i like to consider H2H matchups as well on my all-time lists. great fighter in his era, no question but i don't think he matches up well vs a lot of the other fighters on the list.

 

Ali
Louis
Johnson
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Tyson
Dempsey
Marciano
Liston

 

Miske was suffering Bright's Disease causing bleeding inflamed kidneys & died from the disease just 4 years after Dempsey disposed of his corpse, he absolutely wouldn't be sanctioned in modern times.

Firpo & Fulton were very crude & unskilled giant oafs, half decent, but not "really good"... if these two guys were fighting today, they'd be ridiculed like Wach & Ustinov as lumbering lummoxes.

Sharkey was a very good fighter, but that fight pisses me off to this day. Sharkey was clearly dominating Dempsey before those nasty lowblows. Without that cheating he would've lost. Although, big credit to Dempsey, this is his greatest win by a tremendous margin.

Brennan, good win for his day, wouldn't be a Heavyweight now, but decent name. Actually he gave Dempsey sheer hell from what I remember, so if he can give such a "great" fighter a great war, then I guess i'll give you him as a very good win.

Gibbons was extremely small, like a Middleweight today, however credit for going the distance & making it thoroughly competitive. The last Great Heavyweight this guy could've troubled would be Liston (due to his problems with very small men), whereas those afterwards would toy with his. Ok McGrain, provided he's facing sub-190lb "Heavyweight" Champs, i'll say Gibbons is very good.

Carpentier... exactly the same case a Gibbons, see above.

Levinsky... great Lightheavy totally lacking in any Durability of Chin whatsoever against Heavyweight punches, good win.

 

I don't see how Langford gets in the top 20. In fact I could name 20 Heavys right now that are probably more deserving

1. Ali
2. Lewis
3. Johnson
4. Holmes
5. Foreman
6. Lewis
7. Marciano
8. Frazier
9. Holyfield
10. Tyson
11. Liston
12. Bowe
13. Tunney
14. Dempsey
15. Jeffries
16. Norton
17. Wlad
18. Vitali
19. Charles
20. Schmelling

Could probably squeeze out a few more if I could really be bothered