If Cuba opened it's ranks for professional boxing

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  1. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you know whether there is talk of Cubans being allowed to go pro within Cuba? Is it something that is likely to happen soon?

    As an outsider, it seems to be getting more realistic but I'm sure you know more about this than me.

    Cheers, mate.
     
  2. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They would definitely make their mark. Cuba and Puerto Rico are truly something special int erms of boxing legacy. Ah well though.
     
  3. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    We'd know how good they were or wern't. There have a lot of great amatures who did not pan out as pros. The history of boxing would be changed, but by how much?
     
  4. realdeal561

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    The recent wave of cubans, im talking the less skilled ones ( not Gamboa, Rigondeaux, solis) have been able to make in the least some noise. Despaigne gave Edison Miranda a good competitive fight despite his not so great boxing ability, Luis Franco who i see as not very good at all compared to the other cubans is setting up for an Eliminator to fight for a title soon. There are others. The less skilled ones are able to at least compete at the B level. Another notable is Mike Perez. of course your going to have your Yan Barthelemys out there that cant accomplish much at all. And it is clear to see who the superstars are, or the Elite ... ( Hernandez, Gamboa, Rigondeaux etc)
     
  5. Caelum

    Caelum Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Make it happen. I would love to see these fighters in their 20's get an early start so they can adapt to the Pro style quicker and better and be able to have time to build up their name.

    the more fighters the better it is for boxing.

    Big Fan of Gamboa and Rigondeaux. The System produces quality fighters, just like the American Amateur system used to be great and produced quality... but exceptional talent is rare no matter where you are.
     
  6. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Unfortunately we have to wait until the Castros bros are gone to see them coming to the pro ranks without defecting and accepting the fate of not been allowed to see their families again.
    They will never allow pro sports in Cuba

    :good
     
  7. Royal-T-Bag

    Royal-T-Bag Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Cuba would be the 3rd best country for producing talent behind USA and Mexico and would be right alongside Puerto Rico tied for the #1 country per capita for boxing talent. Imagine if Puerto Rico or Cuba had mexico's population? god damn it wouldn't even be close who the 2 top countries in the world for boxing would be...Cuba and PR no doubt.

    Cuba's already got better pros than most countries and not even 1% of cuban amateurs get the chance to defect and turn pro....Look at the past when they were alllowed the produced numerous ATG's like Napoles, Kid Chocolate, Kid Gavilan, Sugar Ramos

    and some very good champs like Fernandez, Paret, Rodriguez, Casamayor, Gamboa(future great), Rigondeaux (future great)

    And this is not even including the likes of great ams like Savon and Stevenson.

    I'm canadian by the way and we suck at boxing.

    thought I'd clear that up before you butthurt mexicans get angry and call me a nuthuggin boricua or start trying to insult me by saying cubans have glass jaws etc.... not gonna work yall, feel freee to diss candian boxing (i do all the time, we're awful) that won't work either

    I'm just stating truth. Cuba and PR would rule if they had big populations and cubans could turn pro.
     
  8. Ricky369

    Ricky369 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. They would have some world champions.
    2. Not as many as you think. Discipline is not so easy when you have freedom.
    3. They amateur teams would go to ****!!
     
  9. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Ukraine is a much better "boxing talent" nation than the ones you list in the amateur leagues, they just lack an ideal path to get into professional boxing. The case of the Klitschkos was more so that they'd managed to get into German amateur league fighting and built up credibility and then got into the pro ranks.

    Cuba, I think if they could be based in Cuba, have access to the same network of trainers and sparring partners, they'd be infinitely better than they are when you take someone like Gamboa and give him to a trainer in America and ask him to moderate himself in the newly found excesses of American lifestyle.

    Personally I find it interesting that Europe has dominated the heavier weights for the past 15 years and that Asia has started to dominate the lower weights. If you remove 140-160 off the table, America really hasn't had a massive impact in those weights in the last ten years with the exceptions of Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr.
     
  10. Cellz831

    Cellz831 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    this
     
  11. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ukraine isnt close to Puerto Rico or Cuba in terms of talent. Broner will run the lower weights for a while. As will Gary Russell jr. Mayweather is stil the p4p top dog. Ward is the king of 168. All in all america has defintely lessened but they are still doing fine.
     
  12. PugilisticPower

    PugilisticPower The Blonde Batman Full Member

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    Broner has skills but let's face it, so did a thousand other pretenders.

    Let's judge him in 5 years.

    Ward? That guy has serious skills, battle proven and tested and should he win against Dawson, you start putting him in some very illustrious company.
     
  13. Boxing Fanatic

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    they would do well no doubt. luis ortiz is a solid hw with a deep amateur record. lara is another good fighter who is avoided
     
  14. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Not sure if that's true. Raul has been municipalizing and decentralizing state control over production and making it the function of local workers' councils. It's not straight up privatization (thankfully, IMO), but it seems they wouldn't be completely opposed in the near future to bringing in money to the island by setting up events like that and allowing professional sports.

    I wonder how Abril was able to do it.
     
  15. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Abril wasn't a big star,not a member of national team. He came over thru reunification with family, then here decided to train and box again.
    Believe me bro, I recently went there.Raul isn't do it ****.Things are worse than ever.Really bad.